Best put it in context so I can't accuse you of massage it to suit your own agenda.

"Well, you know, what would you do with someone who cold-bloodedly brought about the deaths of hundreds or thousands of innocent people?" he said.

"You've got to ask yourself, what punishment would fit that crime? That's when you do start to think that maybe the only appropriate punishment is death.

Tony hasn't been too bad this week in regard to this topic.

Though during the press conference this morning, he was asked about the AFP's role in this, and whilst he was searching for the right language (and rightly so given the circumstances) Julie Bishop jumped on in and gave that the going over. Julie for PM.

When exactly was it proven that Indonesia did ask for money? or that the 'boys' as you call these men at no stage gave any money.

They made this claim, so we are to assume by the rules of your thread it must be true then.

Bit of an assumption isnt it?

The left are looking for a scapegoat for this incident and are desperate to pin some blame/justification on TA and co

Aussie haters too

I remain very much relieved that I am not judged and condemned to die now at the age of 30 for any of my albeit very much lesser mistakes aged 21.

These men did wrong, they were prepared to pay for that wrong and had made an enormous and positive contribution to the lives of their fellow inmates. They had grown and changed, matured and were no longer the young men who made such foolish decisions and had such a harmful impact upon the world.

I am heartbroken; both for the prisoners they left behind in a now much bleaker prison for their absence and for their families who now have to suffer a life time of agony and grief brought about by a lack of mercy and compassion in an Indonesian government that seeks to avoid the same fate for families of its own citizens condemned abroad.

RIP to all those murdered last night and my thoughts are with the firing squad who now have human blood on their conscience.

Tell me how this is justice?

Sorry did I ever say anything was ever proven? I can't find it? Please point it out.

There are claims that need investigating. As I said, no good investigating, finding out there were some corruption, only never to be able to retract your steps, because you've murdered 2 people.

I do think its worth pointing out at every available opportunity what a tool he is, yes

whatever floats your boat champ!

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Subjective.

You call execution murder.

Some people would say importing enough heroin to cut into 40,000 days supply on the street could be murder.

Perhaps some of those doses would have gone out in sample packs of heroin given out at schoolies or music festivals. The making of many a junkie or ruined life.

It seems to be overlooked here, Indonesia does not force us to go there and strap on 8kg of hard drugs. It does make its laws totally clear to all on arrival.

I have not been to Indonesia for years, but when I last went large signs in several languages accompanied by very clear images were on display. Guards with machine guns patrolled the airport, I can remember it clearly, one ruffled the hair of my kids, laughing at his white mop of hair, friendly to us, menacing to those doing wrong no doubt.

They didnt give me the impression I would l like to take my chances with their laws. They took what was an obvious risk ( passed the buck to mules to take that risk ) because it seemed worth it for the money.

Risky investments often have a heavy price to pay.

People have mixed feelings on the topic of whether it was justice or not. Recent polls in Indonesia suggest 75% of people are in favour of the death penalty. Here you will find it leaning in the other direction.

Ultimately what I find injustice is the approach of the Indonesia government. Cops who run the drugs, a death penalty rate for foreigners that far outstrips the locals, despite many more locals convicted of drug crimes. Save our maids yet lets kill foreigners, a president playing with the polls using the death penalty as a popularity tool. Allegations of bribery at the initial trial yet proceeding with the executions. It all stinks and all in the name of cleaning up the drugs on Indonesian streets. So where were the Bali 9 drugs headed? - Australia.

Are you making a statement or responding to me about something? Sounds like you are an advocate for the death penalty. That's fine, I'm not here to argue about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. I'll leave that up to you. I'm having a crack at the Indonesian government.

Shhh. They help us stop the boats so its fine.

Even julie bishop queried why the allegations were only made now, if they happened at all. Why not when they happened.

We dont know what happened, it would always have been ones word against the other.

Have you ever sat on a jury? the absolute crap that comes out of both sides is incredible.

I think the veloso case there was reasonable doubt, not that a jury sits in these case of course.

Just respect the laws of the countires we travel to, we dont have a say if we agree with them or not, if you dont like them, you could also just go somewhere else.

I think if I was going to start some drug importation business, Australia sounds a good bet. Tony Abbot said this morning they would be free by now.

Yet 2 weeks ago he was addressing our massive Drug problem and setting up a task force to try and deal with it.

Are we winning then.

And no I did not suggest the death penalty as a solution as will be suggested by someone or other.

EDIT. that was quick now seen it was just posted LOL.

And what did they tell you before you sat in the jury? The told you to hold judgement until all evidence has been heard. Did you make a bad juror?

That's cool. I don't think anyone ever said they were innocent of the crime but I know you are waiting for me to come out with it. Keep waiting.

Where did he say this?

Don't know are we - your story?

OK doesn't matter to me what your opinion is on that. My only opinion is that in the case of drugs, despite the fact they can kill thousands, a bag of heroin can be attributed to many players. If we advocate the death penalty for that would you kill all the players? Or let those off who were tricked into being mules, or do you claim you were just the welder in a meth lab, are you as much to blame as the chemist, or the kingpin, or the dealer, or the provider of the chemicals? See recent meth lab story from Jakarta.