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Old Dec 8th 2008 | 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by Deutschmaster
Grammar, the grammar here winds me up. I saw when out biking the other day stickers attached to the 'bicycles only' signs saying 'Skater's excepted'. That wound me up exactly who is Skater and what does Skater have that is excepted? I'm so tempted to go out with a pot of tippex and take out the apostrophe.

And why do they put semi-colons after bullet point lists? doesn't the whole thing of a bullet pointed list put the parsing in there?

And it does make my life crap because I have to review reports with that in it
I know what you mean with regard to apostrophes! Why is it 'Milsons Point' and not 'Milson's Point' and 'Cooks Cove' not 'Cook's Cove'.

I think bullet point lists are essentially a style thing. I was always taught at Oxford that bullet point lists comprising single words and short phrases, should always have a full stop at the end. It really depends on whether the bullet point list is a set of discrete sentences or not whether you punctuate it with commas/ semi colons.
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Notts_bloke
I know what you mean with regard to apostrophes! Why is it 'Milsons Point' and not 'Milson's Point' and 'Cooks Cove' not 'Cook's Cove'.
I googled this to see why they miss out the apostrophes, and google showed me, amongst other results, "Milsoms Hotels", personally run by the Milsom family, in the UK

But it still doesn't explain why this happens in both Australia and the UK, maybe everyone is getting lazy.
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
I googled this to see why they miss out the apostrophes, and google showed me, amongst other results, "Milsoms Hotels", personally run by the Milsom family, in the UK

But it still doesn't explain why this happens in both Australia and the UK, maybe everyone is getting lazy.
Indeed. Sad really.
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
I googled this to see why they miss out the apostrophes, and google showed me, amongst other results, "Milsoms Hotels", personally run by the Milsom family, in the UK

But it still doesn't explain why this happens in both Australia and the UK, maybe everyone is getting lazy.
The lack of apostophes in place names is probably just a usage thing. They most likely all had one once but some of them have dropped off over time.

On the London tube, Earl's Court and St James's Park both have them - but Barons Court and Golders Green don't.
 
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
I never realised how big a problem it was supposed to be to me before though


( I feel there should be a comma in there somewhere?)
You realise your never going to make an appearance on "Grumpy Old Men" don't you?

I just spent the last half hour reading this thread & it reflects the general populous of both U.K & Australia. Some are happy with their lot others are unhappy.
You know the old saying: "You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time."
Try as I might I can't think of anything that's uniquely a grumble or negative purely because it's Australian. Sure the licencing for tradies is a hassle, it is in other countries as well. Sure the food is different, my top two are the lack of smoked bacon & the yucky sickly sweet taste of the Aussie mint sauce. I've overcome both in one way or another so they are no longer a problem.
I find there are things to have a whinge about occasionally, they aren't uniquely attributable to Australia though
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 1:35 pm
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The lack of apostophes in place names is probably just a usage thing. They most likely all had one once but some of them have dropped off over time.

On the London tube, Earl's Court and St James's Park both have them - but Barons Court and Golders Green don't.
Surely that makes sense:

"St James's Park" would be the park 'belonging to' St James, but "Barons Court" could easily be a court where one might see a group of Barons - no ownership implied.

The apostrophe indicates ownership, the lack of indicates a plural. Different meanings, both valid. (I have no idea about the origins of the London place names so cant actually comment on whether they are all 'correct' or not!)

I used to go to "Queen Marys' College" - i.e. the college of Queen Marys (both of them) - quite distinct from "Queen Mary's College" which was presumably a college owned (or named after) one particular monarch.
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by DadAgain
Surely that makes sense:

"St James's Park" would be the park 'belonging to' St James, but "Barons Court" could easily be a court where one might see a group of Barons - no ownership implied.

The apostrophe indicates ownership, the lack of indicates a plural. Different meanings, both valid. (I have no idea about the origins of the London place names so cant actually comment on whether they are all 'correct' or not!)

I used to go to "Queen Marys' College" - i.e. the college of Queen Marys (both of them) - quite distinct from "Queen Mary's College" which was presumably a college owned (or named after) one particular monarch.

I love this, it's much more high brow than the usual Oz versus UK threads that dominate this site.

I think we need more intellectual threads.
 
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Originally Posted by Notts_bloke
I love this, it's much more high brow than the usual Oz versus UK threads that dominate this site.

I think we need more intellectual threads.
Dont get me started or this I will go WAAAAAY Off Topic.... - My next grammar attack will be my favourite: STOP saying "less" when you mean "fewer" It drives me NUTS!!!! I realise this is not uniquely Australian, but here even the media are incapable of getting it right. At least the BBC tend to have correct grammar when you watch the news!
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by DadAgain
Dont get me started or this I will go WAAAAAY Off Topic.... - My next grammar attack will be my favourite: STOP saying "less" when you mean "fewer" It drives me NUTS!!!! I realise this is not uniquely Australian, but here even the media are incapable of getting it right. At least the BBC tend to have correct grammar when you watch the news!
They also seem incapable of using 'is' and 'are' in the correct manner.
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 2:46 pm
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Can you advice me the correct manner ?
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by NickyC
On the London tube, Earl's Court and St James's Park both have them - but Barons Court and Golders Green don't.
Some info on Barons Court:
The name Barons Court is possibly inspired by Earl's Court to the east.. and the association of the area with the widow of the 6th Baron Craven.
Unlike its neighbouring station, Earl's Court, Barons Court is not written with an apostrophe.


It's just made me think... we live in a foreign country, but don't expect a different language
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 2:49 pm
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Can you advice me the correct manner ?
We is going to town today, and we will have fewer money once we have spent some
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 2:56 pm
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Can you advice me the correct manner ?
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Notts_bloke
I love this, it's much more high brow than the usual Oz versus UK threads that dominate this site.

I think we need more intellectual threads.
I might have to drop out of this then.... I may miss some of the logic, I already missed one bit..........
 
Old Dec 8th 2008 | 3:06 pm
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I might have to drop out of this then.... I may miss some of the logic, I already missed one bit..........
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