kiwi_child

No ipom, If you read my post correctly you would see my 'negativity' as you refer to it in relation to making a sense of achievement one's focal point is based on formal studies and work within the mental health sector. Not based on my own personal opinions at all.

There is a difference between professional and personal opinion.

iPom

[quote=kiwi_child;4236003]Your bond with your children and the satisfaction they bring to your life I couldn't consider SOA. [quote]

...which of course, doesn't mean that it isn't one! It's merely two different experiences of what creates in us a SOA.



Perhaps if you ever get the time, you could read his autobiography to see how he is driven by a SOA and his desire to move onwards and upwards, quite literally. Of course he focusses on his past achievements! - in his view, it's how we learn most effectively as humans. It shapes his future - how else can he plan it differently if he doesn't look at his past experiences? It's a fascinating read.
As for the friends and family, you'll have to read the book. (PS - It's entitled 'I chose to Climb'.... it's the first book)

iPom

No, I said personal experience, not personal opinions. (if you read my post correctly)

kiwi_child

If you read the post she referred to, you could hardly claim I was being patronising. I try not to use 'uni speak' at all and I think the thing is some people just feel intimidated when their argument is challenged and then resort to name calling, irrelavent citations and references etc etc

iPom

It was mildly patronising, kiwi. But I didn't let that get in the way of a good discussion.

kiwi_child

Professional formal study/training and employment commensurate with those qualifications can hardly be called 'personal experience'

iPom

And yet I can say I have no personal experience of working in the mental health sector, whereas you can.
???

I am sure whatever qualifications I have you can say you have no personal experience of either. It doesn't make your opinion any more right.

kiwi_child

The original post she referred to wasn't patronising at all. The post where I suggested maybe she should 'toddle off' could be seen as that but was in response to her claiming I was 'a patronising piece of work'. Insult is always the easy and quick way out for those who have no real case to mount.

iPom

ROFL! I was merely expressing my opinion that the post in question was patronising. It's only my opinion. I believe the bit she's referring to would be :
'Let me refresh your and NB's memories'... which is, actually, really quite patronising considering that you're discussing something with people who are fairly active in the brain department and hardly likely to forget what they'd just written.

I wouldn't let it worry you. Like I said, it didn't get in the way of the discussion,

iPom

Right, I must go shopping.

It's been a blast.

Night!

kiwi_child

My opinon regarding relying on a SOA was based on factual and professional accredited training and observation within that sector. I think that gives credibility to my comment. Or maybe you think your opinion on a cancer sufferer carries more weight than the one of their oncologist?

kiwi_child

Hardly patronising. More a 'let's get back and check what was actually posted' thing. NB's comment and your subsequent one, had nothing to do with your original comment. They were simply posted to mislead others IMO. Anyone who read the original comment you made about educating those who 'spout crap' could see what I was getting at. NB tried to rush to your aide, and you quicckly tried to put on her summary of it as being correct. Your original comment that the whingers about OZ need futher education/ training and the inference that this will result in them not 'spouting crap' is highly condescending/patronising in my opinion..

iPom

OMG! Now that's patronising! LOL

So, let me get this right, and this will have to be quick as I really have shopping to do.

You've met people in your field of mental health, who have achieved stuff and become all those things you say they have.

Now I've met people not in mental health but in every day life who have achieved stuff, and are none of those things you say...

YET

Your opinion of achievement is therefore worth more than mine (one based on my own experiences and study) because you have a qualification in mental health?


Sorry kiwi, but that's ever so slightly skewed. Of course you can say that the people in your field whom you work with have given you the personal experiences which you base your opinions on. That's fine.
But you can't tell someone their opinion is wrong simply because you have a qualification in mental health!
That's ROFL ridiculous!
I have a qualification in sports sciences which classes SOA in a completely different way to how you perceive it and how you have been taught it. Yet I'm not claiming it is more correct than yours, though I have said that your experience (work and personal) give you that view.

Anyway, like I said, I have to go shopping.

Isn't it a shame they got rid of the spelling checker?

sassenach

Take no notice of the imbeciles ,you cant debate with people that only see their own points of view .Its a typical response from arrogant and ignorant people who see insulting people as their god given right but dont like it when they get it in return .

arkon

I used to read it before getting the visa's but the missus didn't want to hear any negatives about the place. Her view was that on a public forum only those with a highly polarised view either way was likely to post, and therefore their posts had little merit. Had it been just me coming and reading the forums then I almost certainly wouldn't have come. But it did seem at the time she had a point. I'll be the first to admit my posts are highly negative but had I back then been reading my posts I would have at least had more of a worry and maybe not made so many irrevocable decisions.