How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Dec 30th 2006, 12:19 am
#226
Jedi Princess
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Well (global)you don't have to argue, it's the season of merriment and joy and obviously the lateness of the day is causing a brain decay in myself so I will bid you all goodnight and a happy new year. I hope all those stuck here and discontent find their way home this new year and all those that like it here and are content stay content, and when you should change your minds and realise the truth I hope there will be plenty of people on here to listen to your whinging in peace and happiness.
Night all.
Night all.
Dec 30th 2006, 12:22 am
#227
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Dec 30th 2006, 12:22 am
#228
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Just trawling back to other comments -
Grayling : as much as I respect your views, and I mean that in the professional sense of the word, I disagree. (I notice you do tend to champion the 'downtrodden' 'UKers' from a sort of neutral high ground!) Noone minds the discussion of negativity - 2 important caveats (in my opinion).
i) People don't like mindless insults or generalisations.
Some of the MBTUK people are pretty heavy, wouldn't you agree?
Noone ever says, "I find x a bit of a bind" its all pretty laid on thick, whole nations get characterised and disregarded, its all other people's fault.
We're talking literally 1-5 people at any given time. It's only when the negativity comes from the people who coincidentally also seem to be very unbalanced or angry that you wonder especially when other people with similar tastes or backgrounds can do so well out here.
ii) If people are a tad hard on the UK - they probably have reason to - that's why they may be expats - and they may not be able to improve their situation by staying whereas migration may fix it for them.
Look at it this way : your place of birth is not a choice, where you live is. It's a given that people will attack that which is given to them not which they ask for. Much of the UK negativity is all political claptrap.
Equilibrium will establish itself somewhere!
cheers
Grayling : as much as I respect your views, and I mean that in the professional sense of the word, I disagree. (I notice you do tend to champion the 'downtrodden' 'UKers' from a sort of neutral high ground!) Noone minds the discussion of negativity - 2 important caveats (in my opinion).
i) People don't like mindless insults or generalisations.
Some of the MBTUK people are pretty heavy, wouldn't you agree?
Noone ever says, "I find x a bit of a bind" its all pretty laid on thick, whole nations get characterised and disregarded, its all other people's fault.
We're talking literally 1-5 people at any given time. It's only when the negativity comes from the people who coincidentally also seem to be very unbalanced or angry that you wonder especially when other people with similar tastes or backgrounds can do so well out here.
ii) If people are a tad hard on the UK - they probably have reason to - that's why they may be expats - and they may not be able to improve their situation by staying whereas migration may fix it for them.
Look at it this way : your place of birth is not a choice, where you live is. It's a given that people will attack that which is given to them not which they ask for. Much of the UK negativity is all political claptrap.
Equilibrium will establish itself somewhere!
cheers
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Dec 30th 2006, 12:24 am
#229
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
< hits head on desk >
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Dec 30th 2006, 12:51 am
#231
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Mine's a Coopers Kiwi. .
Dec 30th 2006, 9:35 am
#232
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Dec 30th 2006, 10:36 am
#233
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Just trawling back to other comments -
Grayling : as much as I respect your views, and I mean that in the professional sense of the word, I disagree. (I notice you do tend to champion the 'downtrodden' 'UKers' from a sort of neutral high ground!) Noone minds the discussion of negativity - 2 important caveats (in my opinion).
i) People don't like mindless insults or generalisations.
Some of the MBTUK people are pretty heavy, wouldn't you agree?
Noone ever says, "I find x a bit of a bind" its all pretty laid on thick, whole nations get characterised and disregarded, its all other people's fault.
We're talking literally 1-5 people at any given time. It's only when the negativity comes from the people who coincidentally also seem to be very unbalanced or angry that you wonder especially when other people with similar tastes or backgrounds can do so well out here.
ii) If people are a tad hard on the UK - they probably have reason to - that's why they may be expats - and they may not be able to improve their situation by staying whereas migration may fix it for them.
Look at it this way : your place of birth is not a choice, where you live is. It's a given that people will attack that which is given to them not which they ask for. Much of the UK negativity is all political claptrap.
Equilibrium will establish itself somewhere!
cheers
Grayling : as much as I respect your views, and I mean that in the professional sense of the word, I disagree. (I notice you do tend to champion the 'downtrodden' 'UKers' from a sort of neutral high ground!) Noone minds the discussion of negativity - 2 important caveats (in my opinion).
i) People don't like mindless insults or generalisations.
Some of the MBTUK people are pretty heavy, wouldn't you agree?
Noone ever says, "I find x a bit of a bind" its all pretty laid on thick, whole nations get characterised and disregarded, its all other people's fault.
We're talking literally 1-5 people at any given time. It's only when the negativity comes from the people who coincidentally also seem to be very unbalanced or angry that you wonder especially when other people with similar tastes or backgrounds can do so well out here.
ii) If people are a tad hard on the UK - they probably have reason to - that's why they may be expats - and they may not be able to improve their situation by staying whereas migration may fix it for them.
Look at it this way : your place of birth is not a choice, where you live is. It's a given that people will attack that which is given to them not which they ask for. Much of the UK negativity is all political claptrap.
Equilibrium will establish itself somewhere!
cheers
Dec 30th 2006, 11:26 am
#234
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Regardless of what your take on what iPom said, the facts were that it was easily mis-interpreted. FWIW on my 1st reading of it I thought she was having a pop at me and anyone that was having a hard time here and using the forum to spout (in her own words) vitriol. She implied that we should all get either better educated or retrain, and thus spend less time on here moaning about the country.
I've had my ding dongs with iPom in the past and I'm sure that's not what her intentions were. On reflection I decided I had done plenty since coming here to 'retrain' or become better 'educated' afterall I didn't know squat about farming or the mating habits of Alpaca's before coming here.
So iPom, all my retraining here hasn't helped my outlook or view of Australia one iota, infact it's probably made it worse as I came into contact with aspects of Australia that I could have avoided if I had just bought a nice suburban home in a city, surrounded by other nice immigrants, rather than the one-eyed, three armed yokels in my neck of the woods.
(Not ment as a dig at ipom!)
I've had my ding dongs with iPom in the past and I'm sure that's not what her intentions were. On reflection I decided I had done plenty since coming here to 'retrain' or become better 'educated' afterall I didn't know squat about farming or the mating habits of Alpaca's before coming here.
So iPom, all my retraining here hasn't helped my outlook or view of Australia one iota, infact it's probably made it worse as I came into contact with aspects of Australia that I could have avoided if I had just bought a nice suburban home in a city, surrounded by other nice immigrants, rather than the one-eyed, three armed yokels in my neck of the woods.
(Not ment as a dig at ipom!)
I also read the post has having a go at people that had problems or not doing it her way.However I didn't bite because you need to know the person and the situation. It doesn't mean of course that it was meant to come over that way.
Excellent post by the way.
Dec 30th 2006, 11:49 am
#235
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
I looked at a packet of fish fingers the other day - from recollection in the UK they now have very few additives and you really do have to buy cheap to find a packet with a lot in. But they are absolutely jammed packed with chemicals here - even Birds Eye..
I've been following the trans fats story and kind of guessed that they would continue to use it here. Very, very disappointing - shopping to find additive free food - especially for kids - is a nightmare in Perth.
Dec 30th 2006, 11:52 am
#236
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Now this is a big thing which annoys me about Australia - food standards. They seem so behind the UK and Europe. Colourings such as E102 (dammed to eternal damnation by the EU) which you would now find hard to find in Asda, Tesco etc are commonplace here - especially in kids food.
I looked at a packet of fish fingers the other day - from recollection in the UK they now have very few additives and you really do have to buy cheap to find a packet with a lot in. But they are absolutely jammed packed with chemicals here - even Birds Eye..
I've been following the trans fats story and kind of guessed that they would continue to use it here. Very, very disappointing - shopping to find additive free food - especially for kids - is a nightmare in Perth.
I looked at a packet of fish fingers the other day - from recollection in the UK they now have very few additives and you really do have to buy cheap to find a packet with a lot in. But they are absolutely jammed packed with chemicals here - even Birds Eye..
I've been following the trans fats story and kind of guessed that they would continue to use it here. Very, very disappointing - shopping to find additive free food - especially for kids - is a nightmare in Perth.
Dec 30th 2006, 12:30 pm
#237
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
I agree although I don't buy anything like that anyway. There is absolutely no need to buy anything special for kids. piece of fish dipped in flour egg and wholemeal breadcrumbs, much better for kids than birds eye crud. you can do the same with chicken to make your own nuggets too.
I'm not going to fanny around with a bit of fish, egg and breadcrumbs next week on our camping trip - it's going to take me a day to put the tent up so I'll be too knackered for that kind of stuff (and won't have the utensils anyhow). Also when we go out for dinner - if they put so much rubbish into the retail food what is going on with restaurant food?
Kid's parties? School canteens? Visiting friends' houses for dinner?
I reckon (at least my family tell me) that I'm probably the most ardent (extreme?) supporter of cooking simple, additive free food but with all the best intentions you can't do it all the time and it annoys me that the Australian Food Standards people are so apathetic in pulling the food industry into line. And if they are so lax with processed food, doesn't it concern you what they might allow farms to do (especially bearing in mind the apparent power of the agricultural sector)?
For God's sake even the US is banning trans fats.
Dec 30th 2006, 1:13 pm
#238
Jedi Princess
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
Yes point taken. Pith/pithy is not a term I find myself using often. Infact I can't recall last time I did. so, perhaps not surprising I did not click to the relation with citrus fruit automatically. (it does have two meanings after all)
Dec 30th 2006, 1:23 pm
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Re: How many waiting to come to Oz read the going back forum?
wow yesterday I posted on an innocuous one page thread- today pages of insults and misinterpretations of comments!
All those wanting to move back feel they are being outnumbered by the content to be here/happy to be here/delirously happy to be here group....
Anyway onto the point....
Way, way back in the early pages, someone said Australia does a good job of selling itself. Maybe I am a bit cynical, but something I learnt ages ago was anything that is oversold is not as good as people like to say (especially true of film reviews!
).
However I had not heard of Australia selling itself so came out here with an open mind and have not been disappointed. If expectations are set too high, the result will always be disappointing, no matter how great, because how can anything live up to huge hype?
With that in mind, I will not be going to see Happy Feet!
(and IPom, I understood your point, but good thing you did not say "go to the gym, join a sports club" rather than the education example. You would have been accused of being sizeist)
All those wanting to move back feel they are being outnumbered by the content to be here/happy to be here/delirously happy to be here group....
Anyway onto the point....
Way, way back in the early pages, someone said Australia does a good job of selling itself. Maybe I am a bit cynical, but something I learnt ages ago was anything that is oversold is not as good as people like to say (especially true of film reviews!
).However I had not heard of Australia selling itself so came out here with an open mind and have not been disappointed. If expectations are set too high, the result will always be disappointing, no matter how great, because how can anything live up to huge hype?
With that in mind, I will not be going to see Happy Feet!
(and IPom, I understood your point, but good thing you did not say "go to the gym, join a sports club" rather than the education example. You would have been accused of being sizeist)
