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Old Feb 15th 2007, 6:09 pm
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f!*k me, that makes you a genius in my book
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I shall assume, against all the evidence ("Disgusted" of Tunbridge Wells? Oh please...) that this is not a wind-up.

Originally Posted by Disgusted
Sold our house in Tunbridge Wells, we were not mortgage free so had to pay the bank back first, this meant that we brought about $80,000 with us. Now I had read a lot about how cheap the houses were and how low the cost of living was in Oz so I thought this would be enough.
You "thought this would be enough", did you? And had you actually researched the Australian property market before your arrival? Very easy to do; just visit www.realestate.com.au and browse for an hour or so.

We settled in Brisbane (I have a daughter and a son) and bought a house. This is pretty much where our troubles started. I had a lot of trouble getting a job, despite being told in the UK that there was a skills shortage ( I was an accountant for the Inland Revenue in the UK).
Does the Australian government actually claim that we have a shortage of accountants? (I doubt it). And did you check? (I doubt it).

We thought we did the right thing by buying a locally made car (a Holden) and turned out to be the biggest heap of junk I have ever had the misfortune to drive. So far it’s cost us $8,000 in repairs and the ‘mechanics’ (monkeys would be a better description) still can’t fix it.
Holden is owned by the Yanks (General Motors) and its cars are absolute rubbish. A bit of research (or even common sense) would have told you that it's best to stick with what you know; when in doubt, buy a marque with which you are already familiar. Alternatively, buy a Japanese car.

My daughter got a part a time job at Coles, at least someone was working and we were still optimistic about our chances of making it here. But I got knock after knock back. I was either over qualified, under qualified or did not have ‘Australian experience’. Why do I need Australian experience when I am a fully qualified accountant born, raised and educated in the country that gave Australia its accounting practices?
The "local experience" issue cuts both ways; when I came to the UK from Australia just over three years ago, I could not get a job for love or money because nobody was interested in my CV. Why? "No UK experience". It took me a year to get my first full time job, because employers simply weren't interested in anything I had done back home - not even when it was exactly the same as the work I was applying for. So don't blame Australia for this one; Aussies have just as much trouble with it when we come to the UK.

My son Morgan hates it here, he gets teased at school for his ‘posh’ accent. I have escorted him to school a few times and have to say that the natives could learn some lessons in ‘posh’ themselves! So things are very bumpy.
My father was English, and my mother is Australian; I was raised to speak "properly", and consequently spoke with something very akin to an English accent. I was teased about it constantly during my school years (I attended the local farm school in a semi-rural district of Tasmania) but the teasing didn't last forever and I got over it. It will be the same for your son.

Just after Xmas my Jemima (my daughter) came home very upset as one of the local boys had suggested something rather rude to her. She is an innocent teenager and I was shocked when she repeated what was said. No wonder there are so many single mothers here.

The U.K, which has the highest teenage birth rate in Europe, also has a higher rate of abortion than most European countries.

80% of young Britons reported engaging in sexual intercourse while still in their teens, although a half of those under 16, and one-third of those between 16 to 19, said they did not use a form of contraception during their first encounter.

Less than 10% of British teen mothers are married and a relatively high proportion of them are under the age of 16.
Wikipedia.

Teenage pregnancy rate for the UK: 30 per 1,000. Teenage pregnancy rate for Australia: 20 per 1,000.

You were saying...?

It has just been one thing after another. I have a full time job now but to be honest I find the level of so called educated accountants here very lacking, and its all I can do to hold my tongue. Their slapdash attitude to work beggars belief. On top of that the pay is very very poor.

All of these things of course could happen in the UK, well some of them at least. But I think the boredom and cultural void that exists here does not help the situation. I rarely go as I find their boorish behaviour too much to bear a lot of the time.

I’m really struggling to fathom how anyone would stay here unless they are quite lazy and accept second best in their lives a matter of everyday occurrence, or is a complete uneducated hooligan. We are ready to prepare for home and for that I am thankful, but it has cost us a lot of money.
I'd respond to this, but the convulsions of derisive laughter have finally impeded my ability to type.
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
I shall assume, against all the evidence ("Disgusted" of Tunbridge Wells? Oh please...) that this is not a wind-up.



You "thought this would be enough", did you? And had you actually researched the Australian property market before your arrival? Very easy to do; just visit www.realestate.com.au and browse for an hour or so.



Does the Australian government actually claim that we have a shortage of accountants? (I doubt it). And did you check? (I doubt it).



Holden is owned by the Yanks (General Motors) and its cars are absolute rubbish. A bit of research (or even common sense) would have told you that it's best to stick with what you know; when in doubt, buy a marque with which you are already familiar. Alternatively, buy a Japanese car.



The "local experience" issue cuts both ways; when I came to the UK from Australia just over three years ago, I could not get a job for love or money because nobody was interested in my CV. Why? "No UK experience". It took me a year to get my first full time job, because employers simply weren't interested in anything I had done back home - not even when it was exactly the same as the work I was applying for. So don't blame Australia for this one; Aussies have just as much trouble with it when we come to the UK.



My father was English, and my mother is Australian; I was raised to speak "properly", and consequently spoke with something very akin to an English accent. I was teased about it constantly during my school years (I attended the local farm school in a semi-rural district of Tasmania) but the teasing didn't last forever and I got over it. It will be the same for your son.



The U.K, which has the highest teenage birth rate in Europe, also has a higher rate of abortion than most European countries.

80% of young Britons reported engaging in sexual intercourse while still in their teens, although a half of those under 16, and one-third of those between 16 to 19, said they did not use a form of contraception during their first encounter.

Less than 10% of British teen mothers are married and a relatively high proportion of them are under the age of 16.
Wikipedia.

Teenage pregnancy rate for the UK: 30 per 1,000. Teenage pregnancy rate for Australia: 20 per 1,000.

You were saying...?



I'd respond to this, but the convulsions of derisive laughter have finally impeded my ability to type.
just change your avatar vash and join in the fun
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I am really sorry about your experience and I wish you the best in whatever decision you have made. I came down here in late 2006 with my wife and in some aspects life has been better and in some other aspects a bit worse. However on the overall scale, things have been better. My missus has not gotten a job yet and she's driving me nuts (so I understand what you might have gone through) but I believe she will get one soon.

Sadly, the Aussie move has not worked well for you but you should not be too hard on yourself. At least you were not a coward. You went for what you wanted and when the fog of anger and disillusionment has cleared you will realise that there were small nuggets of gold gained from your experience down under.

Cheer up mate better days are ahead.
Originally Posted by Disgusted
Hi,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I’m just wondering how others have coped, because me and my family have reached the end of our tether here. We came out to Oz in 2006. We really thought this would be paradise as we had read so many positive comments about it, and watched just about every tv program about Oz we could. We felt really informed, and yes we did see some negative comments on here and we made a solemn pact NOT to let ourselves become Negative Neddies. Our tale of woe goes like this.

Sold our house in Tunbridge Wells, we were not mortgage free so had to pay the bank back first, this meant that we brought about $80,000 with us. Now I had read a lot about how cheap the houses were and how low the cost of living was in Oz so I thought this would be enough.

We settled in Brisbane (I have a daughter and a son) and bought a house. This is pretty much where our troubles started. I had a lot of trouble getting a job, despite being told in the UK that there was a skills shortage ( I was an accountant for the Inland Revenue in the UK). We thought we did the right thing by buying a locally made car (a Holden) and turned out to be the biggest heap of junk I have ever had the misfortune to drive. So far it’s cost us $8,000 in repairs and the ‘mechanics’ (monkeys would be a better description) still can’t fix it.

My daughter got a part a time job at Coles, at least someone was working and we were still optimistic about our chances of making it here. But I got knock after knock back. I was either over qualified, under qualified or did not have ‘Australian experience’. Why do I need Australian experience when I am a fully qualified accountant born, raised and educated in the country that gave Australia its accounting practices?

My son Morgan hates it here, he gets teased at school for his ‘posh’ accent. I have escorted him to school a few times and have to say that the natives could learn some lessons in ‘posh’ themselves! So things are very bumpy. Just after Xmas my Jemima (my daughter) came home very upset as one of the local boys had suggested something rather rude to her. She is an innocent teenager and I was shocked when she repeated what was said. No wonder there are so many single mothers here.

It has just been one thing after another. I have a full time job now but to be honest I find the level of so called educated accountants here very lacking, and its all I can do to hold my tongue. Their slapdash attitude to work beggars belief. On top of that the pay is very very poor.

All of these things of course could happen in the UK, well some of them at least. But I think the boredom and cultural void that exists here does not help the situation. I rarely go as I find their boorish behaviour too much to bear a lot of the time.

I’m really struggling to fathom how anyone would stay here unless they are quite lazy and accept second best in their lives a matter of everyday occurrence, or is a complete uneducated hooligan. We are ready to prepare for home and for that I am thankful, but it has cost us a lot of money.
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I'm not sure why people seem to be upset. Half of you think I'm a fraud and the other half just seem to be having a go. I'm sorry if my opinion of Australia does not match yours, but when you have had the things happen to you that have happened to us, then perhaps you'd understand.

BTW I do not appreciate the names of my children being made fun of. They were both named after their grandparents. My father's father (Morgan) received a medal in the Great War, perhaps you find that a laughing matter, I however, do not.

Vash, of course we reseached things before we came here, and yes, sorry to dissapoint you but accountants are one of the professions being touted as 'in short supply' not only by the agencies but some of the programs and certainly the emigration fairs. We knew money would be tight, but quite frankly most of the Australian real estate sites simply post lies about house prices on their websites.

I think those that extol the virtues ofAustralia in the UK should add a little reality to their pitch, especially about the horrendous expense, low wages and lack of culture.
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Originally Posted by Disgusted
I'm not sure why people seem to be upset.
I dont think anyone is "upset" just insulted that you assume because things didnt work out for you that anyone who does enjoy their lives here must be an uneducated hooligan.

I’m really struggling to fathom how anyone would stay here unless they are quite lazy and accept second best in their lives a matter of everyday occurrence, or is a complete uneducated hooligan. We are ready to prepare for home and for that I am thankful, but it has cost us a lot of money.

If you wanted people to give you sympathy or practical advice probably not a good idea to insult them on your first post

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Originally Posted by Disgusted
Hi,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I’m just wondering how others have coped, because me and my family have reached the end of our tether here. We came out to Oz in 2006. We really thought this would be paradise as we had read so many positive comments about it, and watched just about every tv program about Oz we could. We felt really informed, and yes we did see some negative comments on here and we made a solemn pact NOT to let ourselves become Negative Neddies. Our tale of woe goes like this.

Sold our house in Tunbridge Wells, we were not mortgage free so had to pay the bank back first, this meant that we brought about $80,000 with us. Now I had read a lot about how cheap the houses were and how low the cost of living was in Oz so I thought this would be enough.

We settled in Brisbane (I have a daughter and a son) and bought a house. This is pretty much where our troubles started. I had a lot of trouble getting a job, despite being told in the UK that there was a skills shortage ( I was an accountant for the Inland Revenue in the UK). We thought we did the right thing by buying a locally made car (a Holden) and turned out to be the biggest heap of junk I have ever had the misfortune to drive. So far it’s cost us $8,000 in repairs and the ‘mechanics’ (monkeys would be a better description) still can’t fix it.

My daughter got a part a time job at Coles, at least someone was working and we were still optimistic about our chances of making it here. But I got knock after knock back. I was either over qualified, under qualified or did not have ‘Australian experience’. Why do I need Australian experience when I am a fully qualified accountant born, raised and educated in the country that gave Australia its accounting practices?

My son Morgan hates it here, he gets teased at school for his ‘posh’ accent. I have escorted him to school a few times and have to say that the natives could learn some lessons in ‘posh’ themselves! So things are very bumpy. Just after Xmas my Jemima (my daughter) came home very upset as one of the local boys had suggested something rather rude to her. She is an innocent teenager and I was shocked when she repeated what was said. No wonder there are so many single mothers here.

It has just been one thing after another. I have a full time job now but to be honest I find the level of so called educated accountants here very lacking, and its all I can do to hold my tongue. Their slapdash attitude to work beggars belief. On top of that the pay is very very poor.

All of these things of course could happen in the UK, well some of them at least. But I think the boredom and cultural void that exists here does not help the situation. I rarely go as I find their boorish behaviour too much to bear a lot of the time.

I’m really struggling to fathom how anyone would stay here unless they are quite lazy and accept second best in their lives a matter of everyday occurrence, or is a complete uneducated hooligan. We are ready to prepare for home and for that I am thankful, but it has cost us a lot of money.
Nice post Mr Disgusted.

I haven't done one of these for a while so, in the style of a completely uneducated hooligan who manages to somehow like the place ...

So, your precieved problems are thus:
"We really thought this would be paradise" - This is your first problem, lack of perspective and unrealistic expectations.

"and watched just about every tv program about Oz we could" - Fine preparation I'm sure.

"We felt really informed" - Yeeeesss ....

"I had read a lot about how cheap the houses were" - Do a lot of in-depth research huh?

"and how low the cost of living was in Oz" - Hahahahaha ....

"so I thought this would be enough." - OK, at this point I'm thinking replying to this twaddle is a waste of time but I'll soldier on ...

"We settled in Brisbane" - Good start.

"I had a lot of trouble getting a job, despite being told in the UK that there was a skills shortage" - More hearsay taken as fact, why didn't you take a non-accountant's job (ANY job) to tide you over AND you may have settled a bit easier what with the inevitable increase in social life, etc?

"<cars>" - Should have bought Japanese, that's the same the world over

"Why do I need Australian experience when I am a fully qualified accountant born, raised and educated in the country that gave Australia its accounting practices?" - And it's that sort of condescending attitude ...

"My son Morgan hates it here" - Maybe he just hates you for dragging him here with little or no solid research and a bad attitude.

"he gets teased at school for his ‘posh’ accent." - It's called growing up, he'll have to learn to take it like a man ... based on what role model I have no idea.

" I have escorted him to school a few times and have to say that the natives could learn some lessons in ‘posh’ themselves!" - This is all a wind-up, right?

"She is an innocent teenager..." - Of course she is.

"It has just been one thing after another." - Yup, all with one common denominator.

"I have a full time job now but to be honest I find the level of so called educated accountants here very lacking, and its all I can do to hold my tongue. Their slapdash attitude to work beggars belief. On top of that the pay is very very poor." - For you maybe.

"boredom ... cultural void ... boorish behaviour ..." - This IS a wind-up.

"I’m really struggling to fathom how anyone would stay here unless they are quite lazy and accept second best in their lives a matter of everyday occurrence, or is a complete uneducated hooligan." - Now you ARE talking matey, pass that stubby!

"We are ready to prepare for home and for that I am thankful" - And you are not alone.

", but it has cost us a lot of money" - Some of it has gone into the local economy so no hard feelings eh?

Once again, cracking post!
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Originally Posted by Disgusted
Vash, of course we reseached things before we came here, and yes, sorry to dissapoint you but accountants are one of the professions being touted as 'in short supply'
Even just 5 minutes of "research" on seek.com or careerone.com would have told you that accountants are *not* in short supply in Brisbane/GC/SC or indeed anywhere in Queensland. Sydney, Melbourne, Perth yes but Queensland no.

(Still think you're a troll though).

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I dont think anyone is "upset" just insulted that you assume because things didnt work out for you that anyone who does enjoy their lives here must be an uneducated holligan.

I’m really struggling to fathom how anyone would stay here unless they are quite lazy and accept second best in their lives a matter of everyday occurrence, or is a complete uneducated hooligan. We are ready to prepare for home and for that I am thankful, but it has cost us a lot of money.

If you wanted people to give you sympathy or practical advice probably not a good idea to insult them on your first post
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I'm not sure why people seem to be upset. Half of you think I'm a fraud and the other half just seem to be having a go. I'm sorry if my opinion of Australia does not match yours, but when you have had the things happen to you that have happened to us, then perhaps you'd understand.

BTW I do not appreciate the names of my children being made fun of. They were both named after their grandparents. My father's father (Morgan) received a medal in the Great War, perhaps you find that a laughing matter, I however, do not.

Vash, of course we reseached things before we came here, and yes, sorry to dissapoint you but accountants are one of the professions being touted as 'in short supply' not only by the agencies but some of the programs and certainly the emigration fairs. We knew money would be tight, but quite frankly most of the Australian real estate sites simply post lies about house prices on their websites.

I think those that extol the virtues ofAustralia in the UK should add a little reality to their pitch, especially about the horrendous expense, low wages and lack of culture.
If your story is true, I do truly sympathise with you. However the notion that a boy made an improper suggestion to your daughter I find bizarre. Had you still been in England she would more than likely have been invited to go dogging by now.....or even worse. I also have two children, and I am happy to say I am 100% confident about their future and environment here, the same couldnt be said for the UK, even though we lived in a very nice area.
The trouble with Australia, or anywhere else for that matter, is if you start to look for negatives you become too focussed on them, instead of looking for positives. Every weekend bar none, we go with about 20 friends to the beach or park, with all the children and have a few drinks, some food, and loads of fun, we could have planned this in the UK for most weekends, but it would have only actually happened on one or two due to the restrictions of the unpredictable weather. Just one example, of many I could highlight, of how OUR lives are much better here than the UK.

Good luck whatever you decide.
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Originally Posted by Disgusted
Hi,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I’m just wondering how others have coped, because me and my family have reached the end of our tether here.


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You must have been here too long, the uneducated hooligans are starting to have an effect on you. I suggest one gets oneself back home post haste, you never know how far the rot will set in.


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But I got knock after knock back. I was either over qualified, under qualified or did not have ‘Australian experience’. Why do I need Australian experience when I am a fully qualified accountant born, raised and educated in the country that gave Australia its accounting practices?
So your accounting degree included Australian personal and business taxation law? Pretty impressive!
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[QUOTE=nightnurse2;4410803]The OP will have to come and live near me then.





Have you heard what they say about Ellenbrook? Full of weirdo's (i said nothing by the way)

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The way I cope with life here is by assimilating to the way of life in the country that so graciously hosts my family. Jobs are tough to come by for lots of people, my husband included, however we knew coming over that we were going to be immigrants and typical of most countries first generation immigrants struggle. I don't remember getting an engraved invitation from the Australian immigration department, and as far as I'm aware they don't send them out to anyone else either. It was our choice to come here same as all the other immigrants on this site. Nobody is forcing anyone to move to Australia and nobody is forcing anyone to stay. If it's so awful for you and yours, then the best thing would be to bugger off back where you came from.
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Originally Posted by Disgusted
We knew money would be tight, but quite frankly most of the Australian real estate sites simply post lies about house prices on their websites.
My favorite bit!
its a conspiracy to lure us thick poms out here, lie about the house prices and we'll be out with wads of cash

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