ivorfatarse

whats the script in oz does it differ greatly from state to state or is it one standard throughout the country also is it as strict as the uk and are there cards to the equivalent of the cscs cards we have to get over here(money making scam that that is grrr)cheers

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Timber Floor Au

You have NO IDEA !!! how much more complicated it is here than in uk !

Ste

ivorfatarse

really is it that bad i've been on sites for 18 years and the other day i got told i can't wear a woolly hat under my hardhat! just one example of jobsworth i bet you have forgot what a wolly hat is eh?seriously though its going mental over here you can't even use step ladders now gotta use these podium towers bloody hard work on your own.

Timber Floor Au

Ask anyone who is a tradie in oz, and 99% of skill re-training and cert' work is purely H&S

All electrical equipment must be tagged, etc etc etc ...

Ste

Off2Oz

You must be having a laugh. The so called H&S on UK sites is laughable, as are the CSCS cards. OH has had one of those for over a year now and has never been asked for it.

Oz is a lot more strict than in the UK and that's just what I've read on here. So much the better.

Timber Floor Au

The only thing you will find in Oz, is lack of on site supervision .

Its ridiculous, you can walk on any site, with a hammer in one hand, and a screwdriver in the other, and not be asked a question.

Ste

Off2Oz

Same as the UK then.

Timber Floor Au

Nothing like the uk

Ste

ivorfatarse

you can't fart on the sites i've been workin on without permission!!

Off2Oz

Totally disagree.

OH has witnessed some Eastern Europeans who walk onto site saying they know the job but they know jack.

Some watch other tradies and then copy what they do.

This is all without qualifications etc. I.e. picking up a screwdriver etc and saying they know what they're doing. The CSCS cards were brought in to end this but as far as I can see it has not.

Also the H&S assessment that tradies are supposed to carry out is "simplified" for people outside of the UK.

Definitely not knocking tradies from outside the UK. Some are coming to the UK to make an honest living. However some are not.

Timber Floor Au

On nearly all Uk sites, there is one or more of the following nearly full time:

Clerk of Works
Supervisor
Foreman
Site agent
Site Manager


Not in Oz

Pollyana

I think you'll find, as with many things in AUs, the red tape is horrendously complex, and the licensing is horrendously complex, but the actual story of what goes on after that is rather different.......
Timber has experience in both countries, remember, and no disrespect to those of you not here yet, but its one of those areas where first hand experience beats anything you read.

Off2Oz

I agree those are working on UK sites. There is also supposed to be a site induction for every worker when they first enter the site. This is supposed to be a H&S induction, it is also where you show your CSCS card and they take a copy for office purposes. Unforunately it doesn't happen, or if it does not very often.

Off2Oz

I agree I have no experience from Oz yet.

I am merely pointing out the failures in the UK system and that it's not very safe at all to work on UK sites.

Reedy

Standards are set at a federal level which have no legal status in each state however each state are expected to incorporate them into legislation.

The following link might help:

http://www.ascc.gov.au/



The whole H&S framework in Aus is based on the UK system (Robens - if you are a H&S proff) and is risk assessment / management based. The legislation varies slightly through each state with NSW / Vic setting the precedent that other states follow.

If you have a specific question or concern pm me and I will try and help.

There is a requirement for construction induction which is more comprehensive than the UK CSCS.... e.g. In NSW it is the 'Green Card' which if you are working in the Construction Industry you might have heard of as it is recognised in all the states and seems to be the most common. The following is the link for the National Code of Practice for Construction Inductions:

http://www.ascc.gov.au/ascc/aboutus/...uctionwork.htm

As you probably gathered I work in H&S - construction based and am a National H&S Manager covering all States.

Lau x