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Why? Aussie Liberals and Pommy Tories are your people.


You're about as socialist as an Alabama Republican at a Tea Party rally.

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Who would vote for a nutter like Abbot:confused:

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Gillard v Abbott?

Abbott because he is against the mining and carbon taxes and wants to reduce income tax - policies that work for me.

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I always vote for the left:thumbup:

I don't mind paying tax.....but I can see why poor people don't like to

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There really isn't anyone currently elected that I'd actually want to vote for [with the exception of our local bloke Warren Truss & a couple of others] Shocking state of affairs for a country with a compulsory voting system it's like choosing between a kick in the head or a kick in the bollocks

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Left? In reality you are a closet right-winger.

I don't mind paying tax - just not so much.

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In reality....I am where my vote goes....and it won't be to a tory, liberal, nationalist or whatever else right wingers call themselves

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Vote as a socialist, live like a Tory.

Whatever floats your boat.

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Indeed....and it is a big boat:cool:

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You sure you're not a teabagger? You have the same lack of understanding of the problems and needs, the same simplistic lack of understanding about how it fits together, the same schoolyard ideas of what a 'fix' looks like. All with a slathering of name calling 'socialism' to try and make yourself look like you are in the middle, rather than the reality of being on the far right of the political spectrum.

The clue to you really not having a clue? "More Defence" he cried.

What a buffoon.

Tell me again, as we enter a recession, how cutting spending is going to improve matters? Australia suffering from a lack of 'strong' money is it? The economy and jobs markets overheating? Or maybe you are just slavishly reacting to trigger terms, like the Dilbert cartoon?

Please, stop and think thing through. What are the threats, what are the opportunities, how do you maximise the upside into the future?

You simply cannot get away with primary school thinking when the problems are at university level.

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I do like a bit of teabagging - feels gooood!

I AM on the far-right, nothing in the middle for me when it comes to economics, welfare, justice, defence etc.

You on the other hand swallow hook, line and sinker the bullshit that is being fed to us by the left at the moment.

What a f**kwit - and very much up yourself.

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Fact is - Gillard has proven to be ineffective and her party dysfunctional. Abott and co are only ineffective in-potentia

She broke the first rule of Crisis Management in handling the Thomson issue - Admit the failure, take it on the chin, deal with it - the absolute worst thing you can do is try to paper over it

She has Zero credibility - her hanging on to power by knowingly haiing a corrupt member on the party is in spades as bad as anything that abbott may have suggested

and - fact is agian, she lied about carbon tax, etc etc etc she needs to go - they need to go

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Sorry, nope, oops, guess again.

I deal in reality, and I can smell bullshit a mile off.

And nobody on 'the left' is feeding anything, since they pretty much don't exist as a force anymore. It the bogeyman of the right, that really doesn't work as they think it should.

See if you can come up with a coherent model of the global economy and situation that might backup your prescription of less jobs, less tax and more defence as the best way forward - I'm interested.

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Sorry, nope, oops, I'm right

You deal in Bollocks, no need to smell bullshit a mile off as it's in the same room as you.

I have a right-wing view on life, you don't. Whoopee f**king doo. You decided to take this down name calling route, and as I am extremely immature, I am happy to oblige.

Wanker.

Thrush 3 is my new BE nickname for you.

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I don't mind paying tax as long as it's used efficiently and effectively.

When I see taxes spent on stadiums, millennium domes and failed banks I get annoyed. When I pay taxes I want to imagine building roads, schools, hospitals or pushing the frontiers of science to send men to the space or cure diseases.

In fact I would gladly pay more if they were spent exclusively in latter areas :). As a society there are things we do better by accumulating resources, not just healthcare and infrastructure but science and technology as well. I can't help but feel our lead in the latter areas is being eroded to the detriment of western nations.

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The problem with most countries is that so much tax is wasted. Unfortunately, tax is a never-ending revenue stream for governments and they treat it as a gravy train. Most seem to forget that it is not actually their money.

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there we go - full circle back to Mr Thomson

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It was sickening to watch Wayne Swan and Julia Gillard on the news last night, pleased that Thompson won't be prosecuted in NSW. Article in today's Age
http://www.theage.com.au/national/th...908-1jzy3.html.

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One of the most misunderstood things is that 90% of the time 90% of the money that is wasted is wasted because of the actions, or fear, of the public.

Much of the time there are people who would love to cut out the waste, but can't get there because of 'public accountability' reasons, rules put in place in enforce probity, or because doing so would have political consequences (close this site and get a protest).

There is scope for saving money, but it can't be done with top slicing, and it can't be done if there are idiots standing over your shoulder trying to second guess everything.

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Indeed. The Thomson affair stinks.

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Good point GarryP. Thats the problem with a democracy, elected representatives are too afraid to tell people they are being a bit thick.

I think that is the crux of good leadership, being able to tell the truth in a way that makes people think "Yes, we need to deal with that issue" and so generates puiblic support for change. I don't believe people are generally anti-change or trial of new ideas.

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Also I think you have to acknowledge politicians are a type of human. Once they were normal people who made all the mistakes normal people make regarding experimenting with drugs and falling for irresistible she-devil with eyes like a puppies and voices like chocolate milk. I’m quite indifferent to aspects of their behaviour like religion, who they sleep with and how they spend their money if they are doing a good job.

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Especially when you only have a 3 year election cycle. The thick public don't even need very long memories...


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I agree with the "thick" comment. However, one of the first things that my then wife to be said to me was, "Hating politicians is the number one sport in Australia - not footy." I see lots of evidence of that, mostly god humoured. But, whether the great public is savvy or not, you really can't get away with upsetting them in Oz. They will have their say. Which is good.

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Watching Britain now will tell us the impact of those sorts of cuts. My brief stints of public service have seen governments come in, cut, hate the effect on polls or services and then reemploy.

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Whenever I read your political posts I always end up feeling you must be employed as some kind of opposition spin doctor.

Fortunately, this is curable.

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I don't ask much of a government - just that they tax me fairly, defend and protect me and my family, build and maintain the infrastructure that makes life good, use my taxes to keep us all healthy. Apart from that I want them to get out of the way and keep their noses out of my life.

Not much to ask really.

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Only another 5 months to go and then Rudd should make his come back...

(and I still say he'll be up against Turnbull, not Abbott.)

Just sayin'.

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Out of curiosity, who would people prefer as finance minister? Wayne Swann or Joe Hockey?

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Thats kind of like asking if I'd rather have my arms or legs cut off.

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Definitely Hobson's choice...


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Well if people are deciding who should lead the country out of Abbott and Gillard, I think there is another serious matter of who should write the next budget.

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In that case I'll go for Swann. Hockey is probably more fun to go to the pub with, but he looks as if he does his sums on the back of a napkin in said pub.

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Might actually work in your favour if you're in the pub with him at the time. You could insist on a tax incentive for Thursday night drinking. Afterall, many of those pubs would be empty if it wasn't for us.

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Thats what I tell myself when ordering that last one for the road - its all for the good of the economy. We're modern day australian heroes in a way.

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Hockey. Not cause I'm a fan but because I really can't stand Swan.

I believe he used to work with Rudd then joined Gillard in the knife job. :thumbdown:

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Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.

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I'm hoping some salacious gossip comes out of Canberra about Abbott and he ends up resigning...summink a little birdy told me! :fingerscrossed:

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And you've got Cameron/Clegg/Osborne! :rofl::rofl:

Good luck!