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BadgeIsBack Oct 30th 2015 12:35 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 11782669)
Exactly. The way that "offence" is defined in some countries now shows that. Someone is "offended" if they say so. Period. My God, I'm "offended" by that measure several times a day! Common sense went out of the window probably mid eighties.

I was going to mention this. Downright offence which causes incitement has been unlawful in many jurisdictions and a decent and necessary measure. It's obvious that you shouldn't tell a bunch of people to "**" off on TV.

But agree that just because someone is offended is not a good enough test in my book for offense to be considered so... In Criminal law, there were tests whereby what a reasonable person would have done and thought was the test. If one person has a chip on their shoulder and is overly sensitive or difficult then it is not the thought of the many, or indeed rest..

Amazulu Oct 30th 2015 1:32 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by Red_Wine_Fairy (Post 11783169)
That he is back is indeed our loss. Sadly, he endangers the general population here by his lack of professionalism, intellect and eloquence, except perhaps our one saving grace is that Al Jazeera has him marked down as an eccentric, thus he irritates only those of us who deal with his infantile rants and raves in parliament via the press.

Everyone here enjoys free speech, nothing has changed. Only those advocating ethnic cleansing are held up to public scrutiny, it being such a short time since that German guy promised the same of the Jews (Google ''minder marokkanen'' - an Afrikaans speaker will understand his words; for the rest, he is promising to ensure 'less people of Moroccan descent' in the Netherlands, if he reaches power) .

The fact that you find it acceptable for someone in your country - an elected politician no less - to have to have round the clock armed protection because of something he said speaks volumes about the state of the democracy in a nation considered to be one of the greatest liberal democracies of Western Europe

A very sad state of affairs but indicative of the mess that many European countries have got themselves into

rajj Nov 2nd 2015 3:16 am

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11783229)
Coward

A coward is someone who kills blacks and dismisses it as "T'was a war at the time...bla bla"

OzTennis Nov 2nd 2015 6:07 am

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11783286)
The fact that you find it acceptable for someone in your country - an elected politician no less - to have to have round the clock armed protection because of something he said speaks volumes about the state of the democracy in a nation considered to be one of the greatest liberal democracies of Western Europe

A very sad state of affairs but indicative of the mess that many European countries have got themselves into

Democracy does not mean and never has that you can say anything you think/want. Name a country without laws relating to slander and libel or one where you can peddle whatever hate you want with impunity? The 'hooked cleric' met your criteria of saying it as he saw it etc, etc, I bet you have no time for his particular ideas? He too needed protection for some reason which will escape you.

Wilders (and you it seems) have conveniently forgotten (it seems) that the Dutch stripped the world's most populous Muslim country (Indonesia) for centuries and yet he would bar their people from entering the Netherlands if he had his way. A further irony is the Green of Islam shall not enter the Orange of the Netherlands!

Wilders likens the Koran to Mein Kampf but his ideas suggest he also has one ball.

Question (in response to your argument 'the only answer is to assimilate; dress, think, behave, worship etc like the county you live in). Did the Dutch and the British (and French, Americans, Monguls, Stalin, Turks, Italians, Greeks, Romans,...................................) 'assimilate' with the people of all the countries they included in their empires?

Now don't be a coward and just spout insults, argue your position.

Alfresco Nov 2nd 2015 10:40 am

Re: Geert Wilders
 
Please keep this thread civil and to the point i.e. no personal attacks. Thank you. :fingerscrossed:

Amazulu Nov 2nd 2015 3:43 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by rajj (Post 11784712)
A coward is someone who kills blacks and dismisses it as "T'was a war at the time...bla bla"

I'll defer to Alfresco and give you a pass on your name-calling, personal attacks - this time

You know nothing of the military or warfare or ROE or Africa or the conflict in Namibia and Angola or just basic human survival instincts. When you do and have managed to get out of your western, blinkered, champagne socialist comfort bubble, we can debate. Until then......:p

Amazulu Nov 2nd 2015 3:44 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11784856)
argue your position.

What's the magic word?

OzTennis Nov 2nd 2015 7:34 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11785180)
I'll defer to Alfresco and give you a pass on your name-calling, personal attacks - this time

You know nothing of the military or warfare or ROE or Africa or the conflict in Namibia and Angola or just basic human survival instincts. When you do and have managed to get out of your western, blinkered, champagne socialist comfort bubble, we can debate. Until then......:p

Predictable response ignoring all I said and deflecting from Wilders. Goodbye!:rofl:

OzTennis Nov 2nd 2015 7:38 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by Alfresco (Post 11785068)
Please keep this thread civil and to the point i.e. no personal attacks. Thank you. :fingerscrossed:

It's a thread praising an out and out racist and one is to be civil in response? I thought I was actually.:confused:

Amazulu Nov 2nd 2015 8:08 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11785253)
Predictable response ignoring all I said and deflecting from Wilders. Goodbye!:rofl:

You replied to the wrong thread turbo! :rofl:

cresta57 Nov 2nd 2015 10:29 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11782399)
Gene Wilders : not exactly popular and does himself no favours : you make a good point. On the one hand it's been discussed that free speech is unnecessarily eroded by people's sensitivities but offence is not needed.

I liked him in Blazing Saddles & as Willie Wonka.;)

Amazulu Nov 2nd 2015 10:50 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 11785305)
Blazing Saddles

Now that's a funny movie

Alfresco Nov 3rd 2015 7:53 am

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11785255)
It's a thread praising an out and out racist and one is to be civil in response? I thought I was actually.:confused:

Attack the subject matter please, not other posters. The nature of the thread is irrelevant, even ones that may get heated, like this one.

BE rule #1 quoted below to save everyone the effort of looking it up.

1. Personal Attacks
BritishExpats.com is an interactive site, and everyone who participates is “in it together”, please treat others the way you wish to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Challenge others’ points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully … without insult or personal attack.


Thank you and have a nice day. :starsmile:

Beoz Nov 3rd 2015 8:53 am

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 11782225)
Zulu. The rest of your post was sensible enough - so why spoil it with an unprovoked ad hominem insult? You know very well that I did not "justify" domestic terrorism; rather, I explained why some immigrants might feel vengeful.

Please don't let's go down the route of confrontation that Beoz and Oztennis take, chipping back and forth like children. If you meant to persuade me not to visit this thread again, you have succeeded. So much for freedom of speech, eh?

It would be good if you could carry on the points you discuss. Sadly you tend to chime in with a single post, spark a discussion point, then vanish. Not everyone is going to agree and that's the beauty of life. Its a discussion point.

Amazulu Nov 3rd 2015 3:29 pm

Re: Geert Wilders
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11785253)
Predictable response ignoring all I said and deflecting from Wilders. Goodbye!:rofl:

Because he's concerned about the islamification of his homeland and the rest of Western Europe and the hatred, intolerance, conflict, violence, misogyny, anti-semitism, homophobia and eventual dhimmitude that this will bring, he's a racist? Wow

Then again, if you think about it, this is how the left works - if you can't impose your hateful views on the people, then play the race card. Works a treat :rolleyes:


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