Amazulu

Welcome to Australia boet - hope you enjoy your time here

I would like to hear you speak tonight but the left and others who hate Australia and the west and want to see the islamification of our country and for us to live in dhimmitude have made it too difficult - unfortunately that's the price that democracy and the truth has to pay in the early 21st century

Anyway, I'm sure you'll tell it like it is tonight and it's because of people like you that there is still hope for the great liberal democracies of Europe

BadgeIsBack

I'm all for multi-culturalism and my girls and wife play and have befriended some Muslims : in actual fact they are a hoot : a bunch of cackling hyper girls. I'll see if I can fit in a few cliches. Uber hospitable but I can't visit unless the man of the house is around...

I noticed a mosque in Hallam the other day right under powerlines, so not taking up prime location. I manage a few Muslims at work: they are useless communicators but some are paid well :they surely wouldn't bite the hand that has fed them?

I try to keep an open mind. Do we welcome migrants from Syria ; yes. Do we watch the bastards closely yes? Will history show that we are on the eve of a new order that sees Islam and the West in a collision course...I actually think it might..would this be a minority: yes. Did we see it coming,no. 4 years ago we were still dealing with Iraq and the fallout from the 2003 Iraq war :now we have a entire ISIS movement with a successful brand and even the Iranians and Russians on one side.. And kids shooting cops in the West.

It will be compelling viewing on TV: imagine though that it was your husband gunned down by a radicalised teen : how would you feel? Will there be a civil war in the West : it happened in the former Yugoslavia after decades: why not in the UK or Aus inside 50 years...

Questions but no answers.
The world changed a lot in 100 years : it will be something else in another 100.

Amazulu

Reading between the lines of what the government is saying about the Syrian issue and you will see that very few of them will be muslim - and that's a good thing

Multiculturalism has been a disaster. It is a failed policy - the fact that the west now has home-grown islamic terrorists shows this

Assimilation is the only way that this can work

Gordon Barlow

You'd better define "multiculturism". When I was a lad in Australia, "multiculturism" meant Greeks and Poles and "Dagoes" - and, yes, "Pommie bastards". I met many an Englishman who felt he was despised and hated by born-Australians and who was ready to go back to Blighty. (And I won't even get started on the threat to our way of life posed by Scottish Communist labour-union leaders.

We were discouraged from going to watch certain club soccer matches in those days, because of the risk of getting caught in the middle of a Serb/Croat knife-fight. And certain streets in Brisbane were reputed to be dangerous for white people to walk at night.

As it turns out, multiculturism as we defined it was not a disaster, and not a failed policy at all. I don't live in Australia any more (not for any particular reason; I just happened to make my home somewhere else), but I think the odds are well in favour of Moslems' becoming integrated peacefully enough - except for the occasional terrorist seeking revenge for Australian troops' occupation of his native country.

Amazulu

Multiculturalism has largely failed in the west. Yes previous generations of Italians, Greeks, Eastern Europeans have integrated, and more recently, Indian and Chinese etc have too, but large portions of the islamic community have not - and socialism and political correctness has allowed this to happen

Assimilation and integration is the only way forward for Australia and the rest of the west - everyone can have their religion, culture, freedom of speech etc but the host society's norms and values must dominate. Failure to assimilate and integrate should lead to expulsion - otherwise our children's future will be bleak

You seem to think that domestic terrorism based on a rejection of our country's foreign policy is somehow justified - WTF? That's socialist, PC nonsense and the kind of attitude that has allowed this kind of shit to actually happen

Gordon Barlow

Zulu. The rest of your post was sensible enough - so why spoil it with an unprovoked ad hominem insult? You know very well that I did not "justify" domestic terrorism; rather, I explained why some immigrants might feel vengeful.

Please don't let's go down the route of confrontation that Beoz and Oztennis take, chipping back and forth like children. If you meant to persuade me not to visit this thread again, you have succeeded. So much for freedom of speech, eh?

OzTennis

Call it confrontation if you wish but I don't just sit back and take insults or misrepresentations of my views or experiences. Rather than debate with you, you'll be called a commie or socialist or uber wanker or something like that (Zulu); if you disagree with the other one you'll be called uneducated or blinkered Melburnian or whatever. In the words of Jonesy 'they don't like it up them'.

Red_Wine_Fairy

On behalf of the Netherlands, Amazulu, feel free to keep him. He's probably glad of the rest to be honest, seeing as one of his cohorts has just been charged with fraud in Brussels. After the one charged with wife beating, and others with 'financial irregularities', it's always refreshing to realise what types the far-right attract to their 'cause'. Did you know he tried to start a 'Wilders Youth', over here? That's when he's not prosecuting teenagers for writing unflattering rap records about him.

So, feel free. I'll be over the moon my taxes aren't paying for his round-the-clock security, just because the man believes the right to free speech and the right to offend are the same thing.

BadgeIsBack

Gene Wilders : not exactly popular and does himself no favours : you make a good point. On the one hand it's been discussed that free speech is unnecessarily eroded by people's sensitivities but offence is not needed.

Amazulu

Ridiculous

No insult was given and none was intended

Stop being so sensitive - this is an internet forum not the Oxford Union

What I wrote is what you were implying

Amazulu

I think you'll find he's back in your country

Some politicians of all persuasions in every country get involved in dodgy shit - a non-issue

The right to offend is a part of free speech but that right has been taken away in our PC, ultra-sensitive, '3rd world is best' western society

The fact that Wilders requires round the clock armed protection illustrates the depths that free speech has sunk to in your country

Amazulu

I only respond to what is posted about me

You go looking for it so you get it. If you don't like that then don't look for it

Simple

Wol

Exactly.

The way that "offence" is defined in some countries now shows that. Someone is "offended" if they say so. Period.

My God, I'm "offended" by that measure several times a day!

Common sense went out of the window probably mid eighties.

Amazulu

Spot on

Despite what you think about Andrew Bolt (and before anyone has a go I don't read him or watch him on TV and don't care what his opinions are) he didn't deserve that shit that happened to him when he 'offended' that woman. A perfect example of the failure of that law and they way it is applied

Free speech was the victim

Red_Wine_Fairy

That he is back is indeed our loss. Sadly, he endangers the general population here by his lack of professionalism, intellect and eloquence, except perhaps our one saving grace is that Al Jazeera has him marked down as an eccentric, thus he irritates only those of us who deal with his infantile rants and raves in parliament via the press.

Everyone here enjoys free speech, nothing has changed. Only those advocating ethnic cleansing are held up to public scrutiny, it being such a short time since that German guy promised the same of the Jews (Google ''minder marokkanen'' - an Afrikaans speaker will understand his words; for the rest, he is promising to ensure 'less people of Moroccan descent' in the Netherlands, if he reaches power) .