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-   -   The first mistake in the bible! (https://britishexpats.com/forum/barbie-92/first-mistake-bible-460159/)

Hutch Jun 25th 2007 7:06 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by Geordie George (Post 4969671)
I think it depends on the parents. I've known parents who've sent their children off to church and Sunday school and would be devestated if their child later rejected that. I've also known parents who embrace their child's ability to make their own decisions. It's such an extraordinary personal choice. And many parents are capable of recognising that. Being religious does not equate to recruiting another convert.
Indeed. And so liberal (and might I say, loving) am I that, even given my strong views on the subject, if my son decides to take on religion himself in later life I certainly won't stand in his way. Unlike me, however, I'll not force any views one way or the other on him ... when he's mature enough to make up his own mind, then he can.

northerner Jun 25th 2007 7:13 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 4969679)
You agree with someone that based a response based on the fact that they thought 'doctrine' was the same as 'indoctrinated' (no offence to Geordie). I suppose you take it where you can get it ...
I thought the same as Geordie actually, and I composed the response whilst the swervmeister pointed out the mis understanding.

Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 4969679)
Science will disprove the existence of god, long before the religious prove otherwise. And 'fairy tale' ... if the shoe fits ...
So science hasn't yet disproved God? Well that's a turn up for the books ;)

Graham

meelie Jun 25th 2007 7:16 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
The bible has been adjusted to suit those preaching it for sure! The Apocrypha tells how things have been omitted from the bible. Adams first wife was apparently Lillith who was cast out cos she wanted to be the on top! Then Eve was apparently created and was more subservient.
Try asking the local Vicar about the Apocrypha, Im sure he/she will change the subject!
I used to ask all sorts of questions when the JW came round and they couldn't answer them!
Oh and yes Im an atheist!

northerner Jun 25th 2007 7:20 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by meelie (Post 4969712)
I used to ask all sorts of questions when the JW came round and they couldn't answer them!
Oh and yes Im an atheist!
Jehovah's witnesses believe that 144,000 people will go to heaven. No more, no less. I know most people think there's issues with the Christian faith - but I don't like the sounds of those odds!

Geordie George Jun 25th 2007 7:27 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 4969679)
You agree with someone that based a response based on the fact that they thought 'doctrine' was the same as 'indoctrinated' (no offence to Geordie). I suppose you take it where you can get it ...
I do know the difference, ta. ;) TBH, I'd not completely read Swerv-o's post - had put in my own extra bits after his rant about unquestioning belief. Trying to do too many things at once. :o

esperanza Jun 25th 2007 7:37 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by northerner (Post 4969730)
Jehovah's witnesses believe that 144,000 people will go to heaven. No more, no less. I know most people think there's issues with the Christian faith - but I don't like the sounds of those odds!
It's kind of bizarre, isn't it. I've known a few JWs though and they were the nicest people you could ever meet - only weird because they were just so nice and never tried to convert me ever.

(My great uncle once refused to let my mum in with us three kids coz he glanced down from an upstairs window with no glasses on and thought we were JWs!)

Hutch Jun 25th 2007 7:40 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by northerner (Post 4969702)
So science hasn't yet disproved God? Well that's a turn up for the books ;)

Graham
You can't disprove that which does not exist.

iPom Jun 25th 2007 7:53 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by meelie (Post 4969712)
The bible has been adjusted to suit those preaching it for sure! The Apocrypha tells how things have been omitted from the bible. Adams first wife was apparently Lillith who was cast out cos she wanted to be the on top! Then Eve was apparently created and was more subservient.
Try asking the local Vicar about the Apocrypha, Im sure he/she will change the subject!

I did ask Tot earlier up in the thread what he thought about the Apocrypha... He hasn't got back to me yet, but I'm sure he will.

esperanza Jun 25th 2007 7:54 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 4969781)
You can't disprove that which does not exist.
Yes I thought that too. But then the whole point of faith is that it does not require proof.

I wonder if there is a 'God' gene that predisposes people towards religious faith (clearly in combination with nurture & social pressures)
I wouldn't be surprised if there is, same as they think there are genes that predispose people to be risk averse/gamblers.

Wol Jun 25th 2007 7:57 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 4969781)
You can't disprove that which does not exist.
You don't buy the Pink Teapot story then? <g>

meelie Jun 25th 2007 8:01 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by iPom (Post 4969831)
I did ask Tot earlier up in the thread what he thought about the Apocrypha... He hasn't got back to me yet, but I'm sure he will.
Mmmm perhaps Tot didn't know of its existence and is looking it up!;)

iPom Jun 25th 2007 8:04 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by esperanza (Post 4969838)
Yes I thought that too. But then the whole point of faith is that it does not require proof.

I wonder if there is a 'God' gene that predisposes people towards religious faith (clearly in combination with nurture & social pressures)
I wouldn't be surprised if there is, same as they think there are genes that predispose people to be risk averse/gamblers.

Clicky clicky Esperanza! :)


Another interesting one here

iPom Jun 25th 2007 8:05 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by meelie (Post 4969873)
Mmmm perhaps Tot didn't know of its existence and is looking it up!;)

Surely not! :ohmy:

Wol Jun 25th 2007 8:06 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Originally Posted by esperanza (Post 4969838)
Yes I thought that too. But then the whole point of faith is that it does not require proof.

I wonder if there is a 'God' gene that predisposes people towards religious faith (clearly in combination with nurture & social pressures)
I wouldn't be surprised if there is, same as they think there are genes that predispose people to be risk averse/gamblers.
I seem to remember that they *have* found a common genetic trait which predisposes an individual to accept unquestioningly falsehoods and that it is more prevalent in the religious.

meelie Jun 25th 2007 8:14 pm
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
 
Try this link

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/index.htm


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