The first mistake in the bible!
Jun 25th 2007 | 12:02 am
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Jun 25th 2007 | 12:13 am
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
The dead sea scrolls were discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves along the northwest shore of the dead sea.
They comprise of the oldest group of Old Testament manuscripts ever found, dating back to 100-200BC. Is this not evidence that the prophecies contained in todays old testament are the same Messianic prophecies that existed prior to the time of Jesus?
Micah 5:2 Jesus birth place
Isiah53:9 Burial
Psalm22- prophecy about Jesus death
Isiah 7:14 virgin birth
Big Galah- you are right- no man can predict the future. The debate is about whether God exists, the bible is "true" etc ie these prophecies are God speaking through man.
There's some awful things done in the name of science but we don't just write it off because we don't understand it.
They comprise of the oldest group of Old Testament manuscripts ever found, dating back to 100-200BC. Is this not evidence that the prophecies contained in todays old testament are the same Messianic prophecies that existed prior to the time of Jesus?
Micah 5:2 Jesus birth place
Isiah53:9 Burial
Psalm22- prophecy about Jesus death
Isiah 7:14 virgin birth
Big Galah- you are right- no man can predict the future. The debate is about whether God exists, the bible is "true" etc ie these prophecies are God speaking through man.
There's some awful things done in the name of science but we don't just write it off because we don't understand it.
The stories in the bible were written by people.
You state "these prophecies are God speaking through man" as fact. You might believe that, but that doesn't make it a fact. This is the delusion.
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Jun 25th 2007 | 12:15 am
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Jun 25th 2007 | 12:18 am
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
You piqued my interest. I had a bit of read-up. This is the great prophecy... "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." So - tell me which bit of that says the son of god will be born in Bethlehem? It's like all prophecies - vague and wooly. It could mean anything. I mean, surely if Micah knew that the big man's son was heading that way, he'd have spelt it out. Also, remind me when Jesus was the ruler over all Israel? I thought the Romans stuck him on a cross?
That kind of prophecy is no different to the way these fake psychics operate. Keep it vague, stick to something safe, talk a lot ... and you're bound to get lucky eventually ...
That kind of prophecy is no different to the way these fake psychics operate. Keep it vague, stick to something safe, talk a lot ... and you're bound to get lucky eventually ...
King David, who ruled over Israel about 1000 years before the time of Jesus, was born in Bethlehem. The prophet Micah, who lived about 700 years before Jesus, announced that Bethlehem would be the birthplace for the Messiah.
Ephrathah is the ancient name for the towm of Bethlehem in Judah.
What do you think about the dead sea scrolls?
What about the other prophecies?
Excuse me....off to watch desperate housewive's
Jun 25th 2007 | 12:22 am
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Well yes, if you believe and follow a group of people based on no eveidence that you have seen with your own eyes then yes, you're a lemming (not meant rudely). If you had met, spoken or seen god and then follow his teachings that's OK, but to blindly follow a faith based on what others have told you is bonkers. I suppose that's why it's called blind faith.
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Jun 25th 2007 | 12:27 am
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Jun 25th 2007 | 12:31 am
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Anyway, what is your evidence that this is delusional?
Jun 25th 2007 | 12:35 am
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
A guy says "I wouldn't stand there if I was you".
Do I have faith and believe him ?
Or do I disbelieve him and risk being run over by the 6.30 freighter from Brisbane or being hit by a juggernaught ?
A scientist issues a paper proving an item contains mercury. I read his paper and experimental findings but do I believe them ?
I have not witnessed the experiments that led him to the conclusion. I have not evidenced the results were written down correctly.
At some stage we all have to believe the writings and "preachings" of others. It's actually a daily occurrence.
It's a matter of how far an individual is prepared to extend his belief of things he will not be able to prove for himself.
Do I have faith and believe him ?
Or do I disbelieve him and risk being run over by the 6.30 freighter from Brisbane or being hit by a juggernaught ?
A scientist issues a paper proving an item contains mercury. I read his paper and experimental findings but do I believe them ?
I have not witnessed the experiments that led him to the conclusion. I have not evidenced the results were written down correctly.
At some stage we all have to believe the writings and "preachings" of others. It's actually a daily occurrence.
It's a matter of how far an individual is prepared to extend his belief of things he will not be able to prove for himself.
Jun 25th 2007 | 12:52 am
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
A guy says "I wouldn't stand there if I was you".
Do I have faith and believe him ?
Or do I disbelieve him and risk being run over by the 6.30 freighter from Brisbane or being hit by a juggernaught ?
A scientist issues a paper proving an item contains mercury. I read his paper and experimental findings but do I believe them ?
I have not witnessed the experiments that led him to the conclusion. I have not evidenced the results were written down correctly.
At some stage we all have to believe the writings and "preachings" of others. It's actually a daily occurrence.
It's a matter of how far an individual is prepared to extend his belief of things he will not be able to prove for himself.
Do I have faith and believe him ?
Or do I disbelieve him and risk being run over by the 6.30 freighter from Brisbane or being hit by a juggernaught ?
A scientist issues a paper proving an item contains mercury. I read his paper and experimental findings but do I believe them ?
I have not witnessed the experiments that led him to the conclusion. I have not evidenced the results were written down correctly.
At some stage we all have to believe the writings and "preachings" of others. It's actually a daily occurrence.
It's a matter of how far an individual is prepared to extend his belief of things he will not be able to prove for himself.
Anyway, what is your evidence that this is delusional?
Big.
Jun 25th 2007 | 1:03 am
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I don't think this example stands up. Any scientist or engineer will have to publish their findings, including the experimental data, then undergo an extensive period of review by peers before their findings would be taken seriously.
It's not just a case of "Oh, look, I've done this, how great am I?" It can take many years to get results published. There are many hoops to jump through before a journal will print your paper.
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Jun 25th 2007 | 1:05 am
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Jun 25th 2007 | 1:23 am
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LOL.
If you consider today, with how many mentally unstable people about, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to believe they might have existed in the past. If so how can we believe anything that's been written in the Bible. When I hear 'God was speaking through xxxx' How does anyone know that it was god and not the delusional rantings of a mad man?
If you consider today, with how many mentally unstable people about, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to believe they might have existed in the past. If so how can we believe anything that's been written in the Bible. When I hear 'God was speaking through xxxx' How does anyone know that it was god and not the delusional rantings of a mad man?
