Originally Posted by astera (Post 11861924)

The vast majority of migrants entering the UK each and every year are from OUTSIDE the EU. Plain fact, pure and simple. The UK has 100% control over this, does it not?

Have you ever wondered why you are so focused on the minority? Especially since the minority happen to be the most beneficial people entering the country in terms of contributing to the "system" and the economy.

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 11861961)

:lol:

I did wonder if migrants in Australia are also 'parasites'.

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 11861965)

Sparkles, you asked a while ago why people do/don't post. I think this thread's a good example of both.

Some post to vent their spleen in a 'safe' forum - bandying about terms such as 'parasite', 'bludger' etc in public would probably end badly for them.

Some don't post because they're tired of seeing the same old shite.

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862002)

Your immigration figures are not supported by the ONS (Office of National Statistics) data.

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862002)

The most common non UK national group is Polish.

The UK has no control on the largest group coming in from the EU. It is simplistic to say they are contributors. At whose expense?

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862035)

It still seems to conflict between reports issued by the same ONS which I suppose is not surprising as statistics are bent all the time.

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862035)

However, if the UK was a non EU member it would not have had to accept the large influx of Eastern Europeans in recent times so the UK nationals employment rate would be much higher.

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 11860173)

The only reason I've written all that is to explain my puzzlement at astera's statement that non-EEA migrants, such as myself, 'take more out of the system'.

Originally Posted by astera (Post 11862054)

I do not think there is any conflicting data at all.

I posted a direct link to the ONS data - if you find any data there about net migration from the EU being higher in any year, just post the source.



The UK has admitted to needing thousands upon thousands of positions filled in a myriad of sectors to keep the economy going. Heck, even bus or lorry drivers - they were simply not enough people in the country ready to take up the jobs. UK recruitment companies have been massively advertising across Europe to bring people in, even offering to set up training for them abroad before they come. This is a concerted effort to keep the economy rolling.

It baffles me how you could have something against reciprocal benefits that apply to British citizens (like you and I) as well. The people who have come in from the EU have done so for the best of reasons, and have pumped money into the system in addition to adding to the economy. They are similar folk who all speak different languages, from Spanish to Slovakian, but most are friendly, beer-drinking, barbecuing, amicable people who work hard, play hard, care for their families, respect others, enjoy a similar outlook on life, love football, don't blow up buses, have no ill intentions against our nation, etc.

What more could you possibly ask for in a joint economy that is the world's largest and most powerful when united as one?

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862076)

Overall population figures.
Population by Country of Birth and Nationality Report, August 2015 - ONS

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862076)

Pay a decent wage and you wouldn't need to look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862076)

I could just as easily interpret your comments and say it baffles me why you have something against British citizens and non EU nationals.

Originally Posted by astera (Post 11862061)

Sweetie, you are a stand up person, a great fellow poster and contributor here. :thumbup:

I never thought of you as EEA or non-EEA, nor did I ever state that you personally abused the system. We're simply talking statistics here, official UK gov't statistics as they are released. Anyone not from the EEA will simply be lumped together for numbers purposes, which does not mean that this applies to every individual. Being lumped together along with people from almost half-a-dozen continents has no bearing on the individual.

In fact I agree with all your thoughts on spending, paying council tax, VAT on everything, if it was me such people should be given the green light ahead of job seekers even as they bring money into a country.

My only purpose in this thread is to figure out the logic behind blaming the UE for everything (which the gov't pushes people to do in order to deflect blame from itself) when they make up the minority of immigration each year and happen to contribute the most.

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11862076)

Overall population figures.
Population by Country of Birth and Nationality Report, August 2015 - ONS


The UK has admitted to needing thousands upon thousands of positions filled in a myriad of sectors to keep the economy going.

My take on that is the same as Creatures & Stevenglish. Pay a decent wage and you wouldn't need to look elsewhere.

I don't have anything against the people from EU nations. That's not the point at all. I could just as easily interpret your comments and say it baffles me why you have something against British citizens and non EU nationals.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 11862781)

For me this is the crux of the matter, for example a good mate of mine, a plumber (a good one too), always worked hard, always paid his tax/mortgage etc. Along come a bunch of Polish plumbers, charging rock bottom prices, and boom! Money all but disappears, marriage hits the rocks, house is downsized and he now only gets work off people who realize how shocking this situation is. It aint just fruit pickers, and it aint just lazy ****ers. This attitude is no different to buying British, or support your local businesses either. There's an old saying that rings true here, pay peanuts - get monkeys.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11862783)

Except it was more "Uber vs the Taxi Industry".

Plumbers and tradies in general gouge people for years off the back of zero effective competition. Then someone comes along with a better attitude, more willing to work, and lower prices, and the local industry is unwilling and unable to compete. Instead they look to protectionism.

The competition is fair competition and the industry in general improves as a result - a situation where capitalism works (which isn't always the case).