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astera Feb 27th 2016 11:10 pm

Re: EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 11881624)
Means my ONS figures are as valid as yours.

Again, you're deflecting the issue in a childish manner.

My statistics are about MIGRATION.

Yours have nothing to do with migration but just show people ROOTS that date back whenever, even pre-World War II.

Both stats are from the ONS.

What you're doing is trying to apply different stats and then using them to prove your false point on migration. When in fact the ONS actually provides the stats that prove your conclusion to be wrong. :)

You're definitely on the red side of that picture. They should add a point #10 for such cases: cannot accept reality.

Bix Feb 27th 2016 11:57 pm

Re: EU Referendum
 
The ONS states the largest group of nationals (excluding Brits) in the UK:

2004 to 2012 = Non EU

2013 & 2014 = EU

So there must have been more immigrants coming in from the EU in 2013/14.


Your statement: The MAJORITY of immigration every single year is from OUTSIDE the EU.

Charismatic Feb 28th 2016 12:11 pm

Re: EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 11881458)
Tell us how much scrutiny the *ELECTED* MEPs do on the thousands of pages of legislation that are proposed by the commission each year.

It doesn't matter how much spin you put on it, the EU system is at best unwieldy and incapable of reacting in timely manner (cf migrants etc) and at worst autocratic and intrusive to national interests.
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Not much, most elected representatives don't have time to fully consider the legislation they are to vote on so they employ teams of experts to assist them. For a start many elected officials many just wouldn't have the time or technical background to draft or amend legislation. That's not a situation unique to MEPs or Commissioners however.

In total 6000 people work for the European Parliament and 3500 for the European Council but broadly the total is about 30,000 people (a lot of these are support and facilitation roles however.) So I'm going to argue they are sufficiently resourced to give each draft the consideration it deserves.

Charismatic Feb 28th 2016 12:17 pm

Re: EU Referendum
 
Interesting to see London Stock Exchange Group gave themselves a route back into the EU after merging with Deutsche Börse Group. If there is a scramble for the exit (likely to mostly be banks, hedge funds will stay if the UK relaxes financial legislation) after a brexit vote they will be well positioned to retain that business.

First company I've seen to start a move away from the UK.

paulry May 7th 2016 1:35 am

Re: EU Referendum
 
Cast your vote here:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/take-...n-poll-877120/

Wol May 7th 2016 5:55 am

Re: EU Referendum
 
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I say again: read the book "Europe on 387m euros a day" - it's a free download as a .pdf file.

If you don't have time, certainly look at chapter 2: a list of the commission members (as they were at writing, but nothing has changed) and see the fraud, corruption, misrepresentation etc etc that is so endemic in the institution.

As the foreword says, it defied belief that anyone can be aware of the way that the EU mafia operates and still want to be involved with it.

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Shard May 7th 2016 8:22 am

Re: EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11942013)

Good one, should post to Maple Leaf too...


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