Drop the 'haitch'
Jan 29th 2014, 7:44 pm
#46
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
Interesting that it was called the deadly h in Northern Ireland as it identified a Catholic vs Protestant due to the republic predominantly pronouncing it haitch ? In Australia it also was said to represent an Irish catholic education due to the Irish Christian teaching orders preferring it favouriting it while U.K. English didn't. Understandably from this Australian English us now split down the middle from this.
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Jan 29th 2014, 10:18 pm
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
Interesting that it was called the deadly h in Northern Ireland as it identified a Catholic vs Protestant due to the republic predominantly pronouncing it haitch ? In Australia it also was said to represent an Irish catholic education due to the Irish Christian teaching orders preferring it favouriting it while U.K. English didn't. Understandably from this Australian English us now split down the middle from this.
It's aitch.
Jan 29th 2014, 10:47 pm
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11642588
Personally I sit somewhere between the two pronunciations, a small amount of 'huh' sound at the beginning of the sound of "H" - mainly because English is f**king stupid enough as it is, and if the damn letter is there, it should be doing some work. Using the 'huh' sound in just about every other instance of the letter at the beginning of a word, but NOT using it when you are describing the letter itself is just plain daft; a fashionable affectation akin to trying to make 'Target' sound less anglo-saxon by mispronouncing it.
I do, however, draw the line at 'project'. The noun is pr'ah'ject, the verb 'prO'ject. That way you can differentiate between the two very different meanings of the word. TEN can go hang (please!)
It's part of the library's forthcoming Evolving English exhibition and aims to show how pronunciation is not a matter of right and wrong but merely fashion.
I do, however, draw the line at 'project'. The noun is pr'ah'ject, the verb 'prO'ject. That way you can differentiate between the two very different meanings of the word. TEN can go hang (please!)
Jan 30th 2014, 1:25 am
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11642588
Personally I sit somewhere between the two pronunciations, a small amount of 'huh' sound at the beginning of the sound of "H" - mainly because English is f**king stupid enough as it is, and if the damn letter is there, it should be doing some work. Using the 'huh' sound in just about every other instance of the letter at the beginning of a word, but NOT using it when you are describing the letter itself is just plain daft; a fashionable affectation akin to trying to make 'Target' sound less anglo-saxon by mispronouncing it.
I do, however, draw the line at 'project'. The noun is pr'ah'ject, the verb 'prO'ject. That way you can differentiate between the two very different meanings of the word. TEN can go hang (please!)
Personally I sit somewhere between the two pronunciations, a small amount of 'huh' sound at the beginning of the sound of "H" - mainly because English is f**king stupid enough as it is, and if the damn letter is there, it should be doing some work. Using the 'huh' sound in just about every other instance of the letter at the beginning of a word, but NOT using it when you are describing the letter itself is just plain daft; a fashionable affectation akin to trying to make 'Target' sound less anglo-saxon by mispronouncing it.
I do, however, draw the line at 'project'. The noun is pr'ah'ject, the verb 'prO'ject. That way you can differentiate between the two very different meanings of the word. TEN can go hang (please!)
Jan 30th 2014, 5:22 am
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11642588
Personally I sit somewhere between the two pronunciations, a small amount of 'huh' sound at the beginning of the sound of "H" - mainly because English is f**king stupid enough as it is, and if the damn letter is there, it should be doing some work. Using the 'huh' sound in just about every other instance of the letter at the beginning of a word, but NOT using it when you are describing the letter itself is just plain daft; a fashionable affectation akin to trying to make 'Target' sound less anglo-saxon by mispronouncing it.
I do, however, draw the line at 'project'. The noun is pr'ah'ject, the verb 'prO'ject. That way you can differentiate between the two very different meanings of the word. TEN can go hang (please!)
Personally I sit somewhere between the two pronunciations, a small amount of 'huh' sound at the beginning of the sound of "H" - mainly because English is f**king stupid enough as it is, and if the damn letter is there, it should be doing some work. Using the 'huh' sound in just about every other instance of the letter at the beginning of a word, but NOT using it when you are describing the letter itself is just plain daft; a fashionable affectation akin to trying to make 'Target' sound less anglo-saxon by mispronouncing it.
I do, however, draw the line at 'project'. The noun is pr'ah'ject, the verb 'prO'ject. That way you can differentiate between the two very different meanings of the word. TEN can go hang (please!)
Jan 30th 2014, 7:19 am
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
Its a battle you are losing. 24% of English, according to the BBC (who accept haitch from presenters) say haitch and the number rising, seems a losing battle in Haustralia too
http://andc.anu.edu.au/pubs/ozwords/...8/2._aitch.htm
http://andc.anu.edu.au/pubs/ozwords/...8/2._aitch.htm
Jan 30th 2014, 5:03 pm
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
Its a battle you are losing. 24% of English, according to the BBC (who accept haitch from presenters) say haitch and the number rising, seems a losing battle in Australia too
http://andc.anu.edu.au/pubs/ozwords/...8/2._aitch.htm
http://andc.anu.edu.au/pubs/ozwords/...8/2._aitch.htm
We also don't say 'feff', 'nenn', 'memm' or 'sess' so this seems an illogical reason.
Jan 30th 2014, 7:06 pm
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
The f, n, and m sounds are contained in the name of those letters, just at the end rather than the beginning.
Jan 30th 2014, 9:32 pm
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Re: Drop the 'haitch'
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