"The results might have been amazing, but it's generally accepted in modern thinking that it's outdated " a bit like modern thinking on classroom discipline, then? I suppose this has been a great success too? If most humans are morons why are you bothering to participate in a forum? Or are you just searching for somewhere to fit in? Bad show old chap.

TiddlyPom was answering my question. I trust her input on dogs going from past experience. Humans are morons.

TiddlyPom fits in very well!

No, nothing whatsoever to do with classroom discipline whatsoever. It's merely the latest thinking, based on new stuff we know about dogs, by well respected dog trainers in their industry. We're talking about dogs, not children.

What has been a great success? This thread? It seems fine to me. Lots of opinion.

The reply was about dogs and humans. Dogs are dogs. Eternal optimists, eager, loving, faithful, don't let you down, accept you as you are, defensive of their 'pack' (ie - family and owner), dirty occasionally, mischievous, live in the moment, forgive you if you can't get out for a walk, comfort seeking and generally pretty uncomplicated.

People on the other hand are sometimes all of those things and other times, none of those things.
Dogs are great. Many times, people are morons. Ergo, they are not alike. Dogs are not like humans.

I'm participating because I'm a member here and after rescuing my dog Em from death row, and having to help her through her behavioural issues, which led to me doing huge amounts of research on the best way to help train her, I think I've got something to offer.

I can't say I agree with biting a dog back... or scruffing it... nor do I agree with hitting children with a ruler if that answers your rather surreal question about school discipline.

You seem to have taken offence where none was given or meant. If I'd said 'Chris, YOU are a moron', then I would expect you to find that offensive, but given that I am also a person, then I must be including myself in my moron comment, mustn't I? Hmmm?

That's quite beautiful. 'Fit in'? No. I don't care about 'fitting in' with anything or anyone. I am who I am and quite comfortable with that, thanks.

I'm 39. And not a chap.

Ouch... nose nipping!

So the training's going well then mate?

The end of your boot upside it's head does the trick.

I can't think why the 'Amazulu Book of Dog Training' never really took off.

Thanks for the suggestions, some we have tried and some we haven't. Lets hope that one of them makes a difference.

Don't just keep swapping techniques Macy. You'll really confuse your dog!

Pick one, stick with it for a week, then re-assess.

Get rid of the dog and get a cat. Much nicer animals (the one's I've had are anyway).

If you have both then the dog gets to eat the contents of the cat's litter tray just before licking you on the face.

See, that's why I would never ever have a dog

Oh, I thought it was just our daft dogs that did that.

We have a dog that thinks its a human, a dog that thinks its a cat, a cat that thinks itsa dog, a cat that thinks its God and another cat that thinks its in a mad house.

The last one seems fairly on the ball to me.

I would definately agree with this! Our pup is almost a year, and we would yelp if she nipped, when she was young. She loves the whole 'play fight', but understands the rules - bite too hard, human yelps, game over

She has never once nipped in anger, and if the todder pisses her off, she licks at him till he leaves!