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macy Jun 1st 2010 2:49 pm

Dog nipping - Does it ever stop......
 
Hello,

We have a puppy aged 8 months and he is still nipping, we have completed puppy school and now attend dog obedience but this constant nipping is driving us mad, we can't even stroke him without him turning around to give us a nip. The dog obedience class doesn't give us much help regarding the problem so I was wondering if anyone can anyone give me any advice on how to stop it or when it does stop ?

He has lots of toys to bite, he picks on nobody in particular he just likes to give us all a nip which is starting to really drive me mad...... and could be more serious problem the older he gets.... :(

Bernieboy Jun 1st 2010 2:57 pm

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Originally Posted by macy (Post 8605117)
Hello,

We have a puppy aged 8 months and he is still nipping, we have completed puppy school and now attend dog obedience but this constant nipping is driving us mad, we can't even stroke him without him turning around to give us a nip. The dog obedience class doesn't give us much help regarding the problem so I was wondering if anyone can anyone give me any advice on how to stop it or when it does stop ?

He has lots of toys to bite, he picks on nobody in particular he just likes to give us all a nip which is starting to really drive me mad...... and could be more serious problem the older he gets.... :(

Remove his teeth:thumbup:

RenShen Jun 1st 2010 3:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Bernie Barfly (Post 8605129)
Remove his teeth:thumbup:

What type of dog is it? Some breeds are more nippy than others. I know this sounds a bit old school and I might get hanged for saying it, but a slap each time would probably do the trick.

Sally Simpson Jun 1st 2010 3:03 pm

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We had a problem with our dog, who came to us as an old boy, thoroughly spoilt & naughty as.
When he snaps, we tell him no & gently tap his nose. It is not meant to hurt, just be unpleasant. You have to be consistent though & do it every time.
There are plenty of websites that offer good advice too, just google dog behaviour & you should get plenty.
http://www.ozdoggy.com.au/dog_behaviour_advice.html

Good luck!

Bernieboy Jun 1st 2010 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by RenShen (Post 8605132)
What type of dog is it? Some breeds are more nippy than others. I know this sounds a bit old school and I might get hanged for saying it, but a slap each time would probably do the trick.

I had a greyhound when i was a kid,man he was nippy,as soon as the trap was open he was gone like a mmm greyhound.

galba Jun 1st 2010 6:25 pm

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Originally Posted by macy (Post 8605117)
Hello,

We have a puppy aged 8 months and he is still nipping, we have completed puppy school and now attend dog obedience but this constant nipping is driving us mad, we can't even stroke him without him turning around to give us a nip. The dog obedience class doesn't give us much help regarding the problem so I was wondering if anyone can anyone give me any advice on how to stop it or when it does stop ?

He has lots of toys to bite, he picks on nobody in particular he just likes to give us all a nip which is starting to really drive me mad...... and could be more serious problem the older he gets.... :(

We were told by our breeder to hold her by the scruff of the neck and growl at her. Once she relaxed/submitted we let her walk away. This is what the mother would have done with the pup. We only had to do it for a couple of weeks and she soon got the idea.

TiddlyPom Jun 1st 2010 8:54 pm

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I wouldn't growl at a dog. And you don't need to smack it. If you do, you'll make it 'hand shy' and that can be an issue.

http://www.dogtrainingbasics.com/Nipping.htm

You need to go with the high pitched squeal technique. It's non invasive and non punishing, but your dog will not like it one bit. You need to startle him and then turn your back on him, walk away from him and ignore him. It's kind of the same as having a child... you put them in 'time out'. Dogs don't like being ignored. No eye contact, turn your back, ignore (everyone else should in the house/room too) and then try again. Should take him about 5 mins to get it. Less if he's clever.

chris1386 Jun 1st 2010 10:01 pm

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one method is to scrag it by the scruff of the neck(great term , that) and gently rag it, or shake it , as mother would have done, BUT the one i have used for all manner of doggie delinquencies is a water pistol, squirt the dog each time he does it, evrytime if poss, it'll soon stop, its non invasive, non cruel doesnt cause side effects and works everytime, or has for me.Good luck. My dog was a relentless barker for years when in the park, for no reason, an old police dog trainer suggested i try it. Took 5 days to stop, and shes never done it since, really:thumbsup: i'd put up with the noise for bloody years!!!

tartankoala Jun 1st 2010 10:12 pm

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Originally Posted by macy (Post 8605117)
Hello,

We have a puppy aged 8 months and he is still nipping, we have completed puppy school and now attend dog obedience but this constant nipping is driving us mad, we can't even stroke him without him turning around to give us a nip. The dog obedience class doesn't give us much help regarding the problem so I was wondering if anyone can anyone give me any advice on how to stop it or when it does stop ?

Have you had the pup since he was born? I'm no Dr Harry but maybe if you adopted him something happened to him early on that causes him to react like this.

Speaking of Dr Harry, I found this - scroll down to the nippy Jack Russell video - on google, may give you some ideas?

TiddlyPom Jun 1st 2010 10:12 pm

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Dogs do not scruff shake each other to communicate dominance. It is not a dog behaviour. It's a predatory 'prey' behaviour and you should NOT do it with your dog.

http://www.k9concept.com/articles/leadership.html

pproehann Jun 1st 2010 10:47 pm

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Originally Posted by macy (Post 8605117)
Hello,

We have a puppy aged 8 months and he is still nipping, we have completed puppy school and now attend dog obedience but this constant nipping is driving us mad, we can't even stroke him without him turning around to give us a nip. The dog obedience class doesn't give us much help regarding the problem so I was wondering if anyone can anyone give me any advice on how to stop it or when it does stop ?

He has lots of toys to bite, he picks on nobody in particular he just likes to give us all a nip which is starting to really drive me mad...... and could be more serious problem the older he gets.... :(

I'd agree with Chris the water pistol or old fairy liquid bottle squirt is very effective. I've used it like him for barking as well. Downside is sometimes makes the dog anti bath as I found out when he needed a medical wash over. If he keeps it up he'll just feel more dominant and become worse.

shears Jun 1st 2010 11:30 pm

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This is a great site ...

http://www.gooddogzone.com/content/aggression-0

RedT Jun 2nd 2010 12:47 am

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When our dog nipped we gave him a short gentle smack on the nose and just said 'NO!' and that sorted it. Didn't give him any hand complexes, he wasn't afraid of us, no ill effects at all, just no more holes in my sleeves!

salopian Jun 2nd 2010 12:51 am

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Bite him back.

SDDep Jun 2nd 2010 1:13 am

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he's still a puppy? Drop kick him out of the house...I'm guessing he'll learn that lesson...

I'd concur with a little nip back actually, It can be effective...

Jan4kids Jun 2nd 2010 1:19 am

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We have had two Border Collie (Sheep dog) crosses and they both were prone to nipping, but mainly when over excited. We just squeal like an injured dog and they stop......it's like a dogs rule of play...if someone gets hurt you stop. That or a firm no and no more playing.

Works for us......hope you work something out soon.

Jan

pproehann Jun 2nd 2010 1:31 am

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Originally Posted by RedT (Post 8605977)
When our dog nipped we gave him a short gentle smack on the nose and just said 'NO!' and that sorted it. Didn't give him any hand complexes, he wasn't afraid of us, no ill effects at all, just no more holes in my sleeves!

That tends to work when small and have used it myself but this one sounds like he's moved on to the next level.

pproehann Jun 2nd 2010 1:34 am

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Originally Posted by macy (Post 8605117)
Hello,

We have a puppy aged 8 months and he is still nipping, we have completed puppy school and now attend dog obedience but this constant nipping is driving us mad, we can't even stroke him without him turning around to give us a nip. The dog obedience class doesn't give us much help regarding the problem so I was wondering if anyone can anyone give me any advice on how to stop it or when it does stop ?

He has lots of toys to bite, he picks on nobody in particular he just likes to give us all a nip which is starting to really drive me mad...... and could be more serious problem the older he gets.... :(

Just a thought but have you tried one of those distracting squeaky toys. Instead of waiting till he's nipped and correcting him try to squeak and distract him before he does it getting him to chase the toy so he forgets the nip bit. Or, alternatively you could tell him to sit for a nice food treat at the point before he nips so as he will be consentraiting on the food and the sit the nip part again will start to be naturally weaned out.

Zambia Jun 2nd 2010 5:11 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 8605592)
I wouldn't growl at a dog. And you don't need to smack it. If you do, you'll make it 'hand shy' and that can be an issue.

http://www.dogtrainingbasics.com/Nipping.htm

You need to go with the high pitched squeal technique. It's non invasive and non punishing, but your dog will not like it one bit. You need to startle him and then turn your back on him, walk away from him and ignore him. It's kind of the same as having a child... you put them in 'time out'. Dogs don't like being ignored. No eye contact, turn your back, ignore (everyone else should in the house/room too) and then try again. Should take him about 5 mins to get it. Less if he's clever.

If this was yahoo I would mark this as the best answer so far.

spottydog Jun 2nd 2010 8:26 pm

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Our puppy school taught bite moderation, when they bite say Ouch loudly and move slowly away for a few seconds, repeat this as they get softer. After a few weeks I'm now at the stage with my 13 week old pup that I say ouch when she is only lightly touching me with her teeth.

The water spray trick has worked very well stopping ours from biting things such as trousers and now on the odd times she tries something we don't want her doing, no generally does to stop it.

Now just got to work out how to stop her running away with the toilet roll if we don't shut the loo door properly :D

kporte Jun 2nd 2010 9:17 pm

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Originally Posted by spottydog (Post 8608267)
Our puppy school taught bite moderation, when they bite say Ouch loudly and move slowly away for a few seconds, repeat this as they get softer. After a few weeks I'm now at the stage with my 13 week old pup that I say ouch when she is only lightly touching me with her teeth.

The water spray trick has worked very well stopping ours from biting things such as trousers and now on the odd times she tries something we don't want her doing, no generally does to stop it.

Now just got to work out how to stop her running away with the toilet roll if we don't shut the loo door properly :D

Both these work and Molly has pretty much stopped biting. I will now work on her shitting and pissing anywhere she feels like and never coming when called. Oh, and the eardrum busting barking. Who would have thought a 2kg dog could be so loud! I blame Emelems.

pproehann Jun 2nd 2010 9:22 pm

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Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8608336)
Both these work and Molly has pretty much stopped biting. I will now work on her shitting and pissing anywhere she feels like and never coming when called. Oh, and the eardrum busting barking. Who would have thought a 2kg dog could be so loud! I blame Emelems.

Water for the barking or as already posted, peeing catch it before had and put outside or try pampers and for the craping you need http://www.coloplast.it/ECompany/AUM...256B160079F3CF

rinkerdink Jun 2nd 2010 9:26 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 8605709)
Dogs do not scruff shake each other to communicate dominance. It is not a dog behaviour. It's a predatory 'prey' behaviour and you should NOT do it with your dog.

http://www.k9concept.com/articles/leadership.html

According to the Aussie sheep herder at the 'BigSheep' in the SW England that is exactly what they do to their pups when the start to play up, it was a technique of dog training he explained and then enacted when one of the younger dogs wasn't doing as he was told.

No pain to the dog just a little scruff shake and a growl and it did as it was told, seemed to be some kind of instinct thing.

results were amazing!

kporte Jun 2nd 2010 9:27 pm

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Originally Posted by pproehann (Post 8608347)
Water for the barking or as already posted, peeing catch it before had and put outside or try pampers and for the craping you need http://www.coloplast.it/ECompany/AUM...256B160079F3CF

Molly is a Ninja soiler. none of this circling crap for her. she just drops one off and legs it. She will do the whole rigmarole outside though. I am fully aware that this is my fault as an owner and not the dogs...... owner! that's a laugh, she totally owns me!

TiddlyPom Jun 2nd 2010 9:49 pm

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Originally Posted by rinkerdink (Post 8608352)
According to the Aussie sheep herder at the 'BigSheep' in the SW England that is exactly what they do to their pups when the start to play up, it was a technique of dog training he explained and then enacted when one of the younger dogs wasn't doing as he was told.

No pain to the dog just a little scruff shake and a growl and it did as it was told, seemed to be some kind of instinct thing.

results were amazing!

The results might have been amazing, but it's generally accepted in modern thinking that it's outdated and no longer appropriate for the reasons I have already explained. Mother dogs do not 'shake' their puppies. They lift them by the scruff. Dogs shake their prey. Ergo if you shake your dog, you are making it fearful. Correcting the behaviour through fear is considered bad for the puppy.

Officer Dibble Jun 2nd 2010 9:53 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 8608385)
The results might have been amazing, but it's generally accepted in modern thinking that it's outdated and no longer appropriate for the reasons I have already explained. Mother dogs do not 'shake' their puppies. They lift them by the scruff. Dogs shake their prey. Ergo if you shake your dog, you are making it fearful. Correcting the behaviour through fear is considered bad for the puppy.

Youre quite the dog expert. Tell me, are dogs like humans at all?

TiddlyPom Jun 2nd 2010 9:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Officer Dibble (Post 8608396)
Youre quite the dog expert. Tell me, are dogs like humans at all?

No. Dogs are like dogs. Humans are generally morons.

:)

pproehann Jun 2nd 2010 11:29 pm

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Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8608353)
Molly is a Ninja soiler. none of this circling crap for her. she just drops one off and legs it. She will do the whole rigmarole outside though. I am fully aware that this is my fault as an owner and not the dogs...... owner! that's a laugh, she totally owns me!

They do say dogs are often like there owners...;)

emelems Jun 2nd 2010 11:35 pm

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Originally Posted by kporte (Post 8608336)
Both these work and Molly has pretty much stopped biting. I will now work on her shitting and pissing anywhere she feels like and never coming when called. Oh, and the eardrum busting barking. Who would have thought a 2kg dog could be so loud! I blame Emelems.

What a load of tosh... Molly nips still - quite usually on the nose when she is excited... You working on her toilet training usually results in you muttering to yourself that she is "a ****wit" whilst you clear it up... she barks incessantly at literally nothing and you pretend to order her to stop whilst she just looks up at you as if to say "yeah right, piss off"...

:lol:

Blame emelems indeed... :ohmy: :sneaky:!

Em x

rinkerdink Jun 2nd 2010 11:48 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 8608414)
No. Dogs are like dogs. Humans are generally morons.

:)

Why anyone would want a dog is beyond me and I grew up in a dog loving house! but i suppose i must be one of the morons???

chris1386 Jun 3rd 2010 12:12 am

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"The results might have been amazing, but it's generally accepted in modern thinking that it's outdated " a bit like modern thinking on classroom discipline, then? I suppose this has been a great success too? If most humans are morons why are you bothering to participate in a forum? Or are you just searching for somewhere to fit in? Bad show old chap.:thumbdown:

Officer Dibble Jun 3rd 2010 12:16 am

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Originally Posted by chris1386 (Post 8608660)
"The results might have been amazing, but it's generally accepted in modern thinking that it's outdated " a bit like modern thinking on classroom discipline, then? I suppose this has been a great success too? If most humans are morons why are you bothering to participate in a forum? Or are you just searching for somewhere to fit in? Bad show old chap.:thumbdown:

TiddlyPom was answering my question. I trust her input on dogs going from past experience. Humans are morons.

TiddlyPom fits in very well! ;)

TiddlyPom Jun 3rd 2010 12:10 pm

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Originally Posted by chris1386 (Post 8608660)
"The results might have been amazing, but it's generally accepted in modern thinking that it's outdated " a bit like modern thinking on classroom discipline, then?

No, nothing whatsoever to do with classroom discipline whatsoever. It's merely the latest thinking, based on new stuff we know about dogs, by well respected dog trainers in their industry. We're talking about dogs, not children.


I suppose this has been a great success too?
What has been a great success? This thread? It seems fine to me. Lots of opinion.


If most humans are morons why are you bothering to participate in a forum?
The reply was about dogs and humans. Dogs are dogs. Eternal optimists, eager, loving, faithful, don't let you down, accept you as you are, defensive of their 'pack' (ie - family and owner), dirty occasionally, mischievous, live in the moment, forgive you if you can't get out for a walk, comfort seeking and generally pretty uncomplicated.

People on the other hand are sometimes all of those things and other times, none of those things.
Dogs are great. Many times, people are morons. Ergo, they are not alike. Dogs are not like humans.

I'm participating because I'm a member here and after rescuing my dog Em from death row, and having to help her through her behavioural issues, which led to me doing huge amounts of research on the best way to help train her, I think I've got something to offer.

I can't say I agree with biting a dog back... or scruffing it... nor do I agree with hitting children with a ruler if that answers your rather surreal question about school discipline.

You seem to have taken offence where none was given or meant. If I'd said 'Chris, YOU are a moron', then I would expect you to find that offensive, but given that I am also a person, then I must be including myself in my moron comment, mustn't I? Hmmm?


Or are you just searching for somewhere to fit in?
:lol: That's quite beautiful. 'Fit in'? No. I don't care about 'fitting in' with anything or anyone. I am who I am and quite comfortable with that, thanks. :)


Bad show old chap.:thumbdown:
I'm 39. And not a chap. ;)

TiddlyPom Jun 3rd 2010 12:22 pm

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Originally Posted by emelems (Post 8608595)
What a load of tosh... Molly nips still - quite usually on the nose when she is excited... You working on her toilet training usually results in you muttering to yourself that she is "a ****wit" whilst you clear it up... she barks incessantly at literally nothing and you pretend to order her to stop whilst she just looks up at you as if to say "yeah right, piss off"...

:lol:

Blame emelems indeed... :ohmy: :sneaky:!

Em x

:lol::lol::lol:
Ouch... nose nipping!

So the training's going well then mate? :lol:

Amazulu Jun 3rd 2010 1:19 pm

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Originally Posted by macy (Post 8605117)
Hello,

We have a puppy aged 8 months and he is still nipping, we have completed puppy school and now attend dog obedience but this constant nipping is driving us mad, we can't even stroke him without him turning around to give us a nip. The dog obedience class doesn't give us much help regarding the problem so I was wondering if anyone can anyone give me any advice on how to stop it or when it does stop ?

He has lots of toys to bite, he picks on nobody in particular he just likes to give us all a nip which is starting to really drive me mad...... and could be more serious problem the older he gets.... :(

The end of your boot upside it's head does the trick.

TiddlyPom Jun 3rd 2010 1:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 8610247)
The end of your boot upside it's head does the trick.

I can't think why the 'Amazulu Book of Dog Training' never really took off. :lol:

macy Jun 3rd 2010 3:02 pm

Re: Dog nipping - Does it ever stop......
 
Thanks for the suggestions, some we have tried and some we haven't. Lets hope that one of them makes a difference.

TiddlyPom Jun 3rd 2010 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by macy (Post 8610404)
Thanks for the suggestions, some we have tried and some we haven't. Lets hope that one of them makes a difference.

Don't just keep swapping techniques Macy. You'll really confuse your dog! :lol:

Pick one, stick with it for a week, then re-assess.

moneypenny20 Jun 3rd 2010 3:12 pm

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Get rid of the dog and get a cat. Much nicer animals (the one's I've had are anyway).:D

Burbage Jun 3rd 2010 5:56 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8610420)
Get rid of the dog and get a cat. Much nicer animals (the one's I've had are anyway).:D

If you have both then the dog gets to eat the contents of the cat's litter tray just before licking you on the face.


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