Ha .... quote all you like ..... At least you, Stevie and me can all agree on something for once.

You want to view the bigger picture? Not carrying it out, and even conducting a second referendum will send a very clear message to 52% of the voters, that message being 'your vote doesn't matter'. I would guess at dire consequences should that happen. At least you'll be able to say 'typical brexit voters' when you're watching the riots on TV

For differing reasons though I fear.

I think that things are going to clamp down on the migration stakes because of automation anyway - population will switch from an asset to a problem. As such it's better to get ahead of it and implement something sensible, rather than letting the far right use it to get in and use fear of the foreigner to implement authoritarianism.

As far as the EU is concerned, it's always needed reform, and breaking apart has always been on the cards. However it's better to withdraw to a trade bloc and keep the lines of communication open, than have it spin totally apart and probably end up in war down the line.

Interesting question, if we get a rash of far right governments across the EU now, then will the disillusion have set in by 2020 (when the driver and other automation starts to hit) and we can have more centralist or left wing governments back to deal with the hard issues? Or are Trump and May going to be sufficient warning?

You see, now you are getting bitter. You are trying to pick an argument because that's want fiercely staunch non Brexiters want. A fight. Well we missed our fight, and what it has done is brought the world problems to light and essentially given the far left the good kicking that its deserved.

Is it ridiculous because you want it to be ridiculous. What if you went down to Kent and asked what the proportion is? Maybe head up to Peterborough where the school intake doubled between 2008 and 2012 because of the Polish immigration. What if it was true? Does it actually matter? Perhaps the Poles are giving more to society than the high burden they are placing on services. The point is you sound alarmed at that figure, and are spending energy on contesting the figure, rather than actually talking about what the figure means to society. And what it means to society might actually be a good thing - but the locals don't see it that way. They just see problems of getting little Johnny into the school of their choice.

I'm not clutching at straws. Despite you wanting Ms May to be a dictator and ignore the will of the people, she has to run with the decision of the people. Your team lost, so did mine, get over it, life moves forward.

If you are assuming most refugee immigrants are manual labourers, then your automation theory might have a place. Are most refugee immigrants manual labourer? Maybe as a starting point, lacking local communication skills but I bet the majority are skilled up.

A lot are going to be effectively unemployable, going forward (an accountant for instance might have a skill, but they aren't likely to be a positive asset in an automated world). Manual/unskilled isn't really the issue.

And part of the reason you don't want the far right writing the rules is because the right people are still going to be in demand - you don't want to pull those doors totally shut.

Accountancy is already automated. There's probably not a lot you can do further to increase automation in this field.

If I put my expenses in, its automated, I take the photo, the OCR system scans the text, it pulls the text and lists it in the DB against the photo. I check it for OCR errors (as there is always errors) then some Indian accountant in Mumbai comes back to me and tells me that I have exceeded the 2 beer rule, then I argue the toss that I buy clients a beer, I have a fight with them, their manager, the guys running the system (because the system scans so badly that dates and prices are unrecognizable) then I win the argument, and we move onto the next expense rejection.

See, the automation actually increases jobs.



No you want central rights writing the rules because look where the central left got us today.

All right, but apart from :

• Pensions,
• Free public healthcare
• Minimum wage
• Better worker terms and conditions
• Free education
• and human rights.

what have the centre left ever done for us?

Brought peace?

Oh, peace? SHUT UP!

And as I said, its exactly those topics which got us where we are today. Immigrants do whatever it takes get a piece of that action. Of course there is nothing wrong with that, we are all attracted by the greener grass.

The question is, do we have it so far left that completely free movement across borders to relish in the spoils of the next best place is the norm??

It appears the voters don't think so.

That's just you being scared that the majority currently want to stay and that the vote will yield a different result now that all the lies about the NHS and everything else have been uncovered.

It's amusing how die-hard brexiters (I know, I know, you're "totally against it" but fanatically support how we must go through with it at lightning speed and no matter the cost...) are scared of a second referendum. It's almost like those movie scenes where a vampire is treated to a few drops of holy water...

Me thinks you've been watching too much Netflix recently.

A second referendum, turns out the majority want to stay as the previous lies are no longer effective, and then the minority will be out torching shops and cars for what exact purpose? Because they couldn't get away with tricking the nation?

Either way it probably doesn't matter as we'll stay in the EEA so nothing will change, except that our politicians will finally shut up because they'll no longer have a say about anything but will simply have to accept what's decided for them. Win-win situation if the UK just wants to be a passenger instead of being on the bridge and part of the decision-making process.

What's amusing to me is how you lot can't accept the facts, 52 - 48, you lost, and it's been a while now too, quite some mourning period.

Why would I be scared that a second vote would have a different outcome? I think there may be a good few that would change their minds, and 18-24 year olds would take the vote seriously this time. However, the public voted and decided they wanted out, if you can't respect democracy here then why respect it at all.

The fact is, the in crowd underestimated the strength of feeling amongst the electorate, they ran a woeful campaigne. The outies lied their arses off sure, but team inny had no answers to it, other than more scare tactics.

Oh and as for the rioting? You'd have to be blind or Marie Antoinette not to see that if you tell 16 or so million people that they're dum and their vote doesn't count, some of them are going to be a bit miffed.

Stick to the facts. It was just a non-binding referendum, not an election with legal consequences. There should be another referendum if a lot of time elapses in the meantime or new information comes to light. Plain and simple.

Dunno, beats me champ!

Right, so you believe that another vote today would yield a different result, and because of that you want to stifle the voice of the public and prevent people from expressing their current stance. How very democratic!

Hmm, yeah, speaking the truth instead of making up laughable and untruthful slogans like the NHS lie. The in crowd definitely overestimated the number of voters who can actually think for themselves. The sheep-herders definitely won this contest as they clearly saw how many gullible people are out there.

Bring it on. Another referendum, the majority wants in, and then the minority goes to the street to spread hate and violence because they don't get their way and can't send Britain down the drain?

The best thing about any riots would be that not a single person would have to take a day off from work. The gov't might even be on to a winner here if the general prison population doesn't figure in unemployment statistics...

How do you know the majority wants it? A couple of BBC polls? Facebook?

Why do you want it? Because you didn't get the result you wanted first time round? Or the Remain campaign didn't strip the facts back well enough?

Sounds a bit of a sore loser case to me.

Soooo, what's your view on Clinton supporters rioting after the US election? Were they just unemployed ****tards, or decent upstanding people who had been pushed over the edge? Or do you think each is an equally stupid and sweeping judgement on them?

You've got me wrong if you think I'm a Brexiteer or I'm willing to stifle the apparent U-turn in public opinion (You? Wrong? Never!!! ) What you need to do is get past this, 'you either agree with me wholeheartedly, or you're Brexit scum' train of thought. Somehow I think it's beyond you though

Just looking at the sheer panic that a second referendum brings to the brexit mob shows that you believe in it even more than I do.

Yeah, I want people to make a decision based on facts and not deceit. Since all the lies supporting the leave campaign have dissipated and will simply not work the second time around (one trick pony after all) I feel people will give a more realistic result of what they truly want.

Plus looking at the quitters with froth on their mouths like some rabid animal, absolutely $#!t-scared of another referendum as if it was armageddon for them... how could you possibly not want another referendum even if only for entertainment purposes?