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Ahh, good ol' threats and menaces - the EU really doesn't get it, does it?

Tell me, how can you KNOW that the UK is having trade negotiations? If they don't tell you that is?

From the PoV of Australia however, its useful. The EU will have to be much more accommodating to get trade deals signed.

I'll make a prediction here, within the year there will be talk of an explicit 'two-speed' europe deal, and limitations of free movement.

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yeah, fast in slow out ;)

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But would it be right to keep the UK in one of the different speed Europes? Or does brexit mean brexit? Or does it have to mean brexit if things change? Would this have to go back to the people?


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I was against Brexit but a democratic decision was made. Doing this would just cause confusion and uncertainty and send the wrong economic message - business loves certainty and stability

Just get on with it and implement the people's choice

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While I agree with this, I can't help thinking that people would no doubt democratically vote to end income tax - but it doesn't mean that it is in any way a good idea for the state to implement.

I think it was exceptionally irresponsible to have such a narrow choice in the voting - it's not as if there was a vote for any specific plan or approach.

Initially, I was very much of the opinion that it was the will of the people and it should be upheld, however the more I see and read, the more I start to feel that the leave result was effectively obtained by deception, half truths and misleading voters. I'm not sure I feel comfortable espousing the vote's democratic credentials in this light.


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For such a momentous choice it shouldn't have been 50/50 - 60/40 would have been better because now you have half the electorate pissed off

I agree about the deception and half-truths - but that's been the MO of politics from the beginning of time! It's just that in this case the repercussions are majorly major

I really think that the best way forward for the UK is to just trigger A50 and get on with it. More uncertainty and going about it half-arsed is just going to cause more economic pain

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I've never seen a referendum on an issue which has turned out to be so cloudy. Surely many of those who voted had no idea how Brexit would proceed and the implications? Yes, a very narrow majority voted to (they thought) halt immigration but it just seems to be do something, doesn't matter what. (I'm reminded of Yogi Berra's famous quote giving directions to his house to a team mate - when you come to a fork in the road, take it).

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The referendum is non-binding, and I assume there is a reason for this or else the law would explicitly state the opposite.

99.9% of the time the gov't does what they think is best and not what the people want. Otherwise there would be no IHT, hereditary peers, speed cameras everywhere, rip-off schemes like the tv license, ridiculous petrol taxes, etc.

The gov't needs to do what is best for the country taking into account the current situation and up-to-date facts. Now that we know that the entire leave campaign was based on lies and false data, and that leaving will ultimately be detrimental to the UK economy, workers rights, environmental laws, etc., and that there will be no extra billions for the NHS or any of the other false promises, it's time to ask the people again. Especially if this drags on...

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Ironically the best thing to have happened to Britain is the freedom of movement. Unless you want 90% of immigration to come from distant places that don't integrate well into society.

Plus EU nationals are the ones who are contributing the most to the system on average, and as a whole they pump more money into the budget than they take out (unlike our fellow citizens who are net takers).

Now if the people who contribute the most leave, and those who take the most stay behind, guess what happens to the system? Taxes go up, up, up, public services get sliced & diced, etc.

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I'm not talking about from a 'remain/leave' perspective, I'm talking about the disquiet associated with MENA refugees, coupled with the far right rise that wants less of them, and terrorism that lets them move from one country to another easily. They'll have to do something to assuage those concerns. Now, given this is the EU and they have been making dumb moves, it will probably be an EU ID card (papers please), but they will do something.

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Yep. And there's probably more discontent to come in France, Holland and Germany. Its a bit of a watch this space moment

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JB seeking a bit of Brexit opportunity in a pair or shorts.

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/julie-bishop-makes-a-bold-fashion-statement-in-a-pair-of-shorts/news-story/ec2da693a431f2a95c5fed1928749f3c

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Ahem;

Britons may have to pay fee to visit Europe under post-Brexit visa plan | The Independent

What a surprise from the united states of europe, they are trying to put up border controls around the super country. My guess is there's another shoe that goes with that.

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Does that say may have to pay? There's a lot of kite flying going on around negotiations. (Theresa) May will have to pay if it is introduced. ;)

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Back on property, do you think those new foreign investors are financial dunces? You know .
... the UK economy is going to crash right?