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paulry Oct 9th 2013 7:45 am

Re: Depression / anxiety
 
Something that I want to remind again is no-one who is currently taking psychiatric drugs should stop or begin to stop taking them without professional medical supervision.

brissybee Oct 9th 2013 9:21 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 
Yes, a good reminder for World Mental Health Day. :starsmile:

I hope increasing numbers of people understand and accept more about mental health and that the new Government recognises the importance of funding to help care for all those many people who live with the huge range of mental health issues.

paulry Oct 12th 2013 8:16 am

Re: Depression / anxiety
 
Well, whatever disapprovals I might have got from some on this forum, these last few days have seen the view count shoot up from the 29??? (I didn't note the exact start figure) to 30238. Admittedly, it was World Mental Health Day a few days back but still, the count has been steadily climbing each day and with a few sudden spikes (possibly indicating individuals exploring the thread). Good. :cool:

Make of it what you will but to me it means people are last last waking up to the fact that pharmaceutical drugs are damaging and not the only show in town when it comes to treating mental health problems.

Dorothy Oct 12th 2013 10:18 am

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10941672)
Make of it what you will but to me it means people are last last waking up to the fact that pharmaceutical drugs are damaging and not the only show in town when it comes to treating mental health problems.

Or maybe people want to see what new garbage is being spouted decrying the value of mainstream medical treatment for chemical imbalances.

paulry Oct 12th 2013 11:04 am

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10941775)
Or maybe people want to see what new garbage is being spouted decrying the value of mainstream medical treatment for chemical imbalances.

To you and others like you: garbage not worthy of consideration. To others: a ray of hope in a mental health landscape shockingly dominated by the interests of the big pharmas.

Presumably, you favour sedating and damaging our children with these?

Pollyana Oct 12th 2013 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10941775)
Or maybe people want to see what new garbage is being spouted decrying the value of mainstream medical treatment for chemical imbalances.

...and those Mods who are keeping an eye on the thread of course :)

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FAO all posters - Please don't let this thread descend into abuse, everyone has very personal and different opinions on this subject, lets accept that the world has room for all of them :)

Dorothy Oct 12th 2013 12:01 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10941827)
To you and others like you: garbage not worthy of consideration. To others: a ray of hope in a mental health landscape shockingly dominated by the interests of the big pharmas.

Presumably, you favour sedating and damaging our children with these?

What I favour is treating medical conditions with scientifically studied medical treatments.

Pollyana Oct 12th 2013 12:12 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10941878)
What I favour is treating medical conditions with scientifically studied medical treatments.

I must admit, that even as a person who likes to believe in alternative treatments, the one thing that works for me at present is pure simple steroids, tried, tested, drugs. They raise my spirits, that raises my physical health, its all one big spiral.

Next year may be different, but for now.......

RedDragon2008 Oct 12th 2013 12:58 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10941878)
What I favour is treating medical conditions with scientifically studied medical treatments.

versus snake oil

;)

paulry Oct 12th 2013 3:37 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10941878)
What I favour is treating medical conditions with scientifically studied medical treatments.

Of course, sedating them will help mask the symptoms - for a while at least. But later on the symptoms will re-emerge and they'll need stronger doses and eventually different cocktails of drugs to keep the genie in the bottle. Eventually you'll end up with a terribly damaged child. But of course you know all that from the drugs' side effect profiles.


Originally Posted by RedDragon2008 (Post 10941911)
versus snake oil

;)

Ah, someone who knows very little about the topic. ;)

paulry Oct 12th 2013 3:59 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10941887)
I must admit, that even as a person who likes to believe in alternative treatments, the one thing that works for me at present is pure simple steroids, tried, tested, drugs. They raise my spirits, that raises my physical health, its all one big spiral.

Next year may be different, but for now.......

Have you studied the side effect profile and googled all the good and bad reports about the drug? Good luck with it Polly.

Pollyana Oct 12th 2013 6:09 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10942038)
Have you studied the side effect profile and googled all the good and bad reports about the drug? Good luck with it Polly.

Couldn't care less and I'd rather be in blissful ignorance than depressing myself. It gives me the energy and the health to get out of bed, go to work, and have a life.
If it turns out to have side effects that kill me in ten years time at least I've had a life for now - which is preferable to the "I might just slit my wrists if I have to feel like this any longer" situation I've been in for the last 12 months.
Its about individual priorities, and I'm happy to take my chances.

RedDragon2008 Oct 12th 2013 6:24 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10942028)
Ah, someone who knows very little about the topic. ;)

You have no idea, yet continue to spout biowaste

Cheetah7 Oct 12th 2013 6:53 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10942102)
Couldn't care less and I'd rather be in blissful ignorance than depressing myself. It gives me the energy and the health to get out of bed, go to work, and have a life.
If it turns out to have side effects that kill me in ten years time at least I've had a life for now - which is preferable to the "I might just slit my wrists if I have to feel like this any longer" situation I've been in for the last 12 months.
Its about individual priorities, and I'm happy to take my chances.

I know what you mean about steroids - I have been on them for two years and cannot go down by even 1mg.

I also have started a new drug used to stop rejection in organ transplants - the potential side effects are horrific but what I do know is that I am feeling better than I have in ages.

I do not believe there are natural remedies to suppress the immune system - they are all geared to boosting it which is dangerous in my case so I have to rely on toxic medication to do it for me.

Had you asked me a few years back my opinions on immuno suppressants, I would have refused them but the difference they have made to me - now I dont give a shit about the side effects, I just get monitored for them.

Because the thought of the symptoms I get without the drugs, is too much to handle.

Are you on steroids long term Polly?

paulry Oct 12th 2013 7:00 pm

Re: Depression / anxiety
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10942102)
Couldn't care less and I'd rather be in blissful ignorance than depressing myself. It gives me the energy and the health to get out of bed, go to work, and have a life.
If it turns out to have side effects that kill me in ten years time at least I've had a life for now - which is preferable to the "I might just slit my wrists if I have to feel like this any longer" situation I've been in for the last 12 months.
Its about individual priorities, and I'm happy to take my chances.

Everyone has their own personal story to tell. My wife's nephew threw himself off a Sydney rooftop a few months ago after being prescribed pharmaceuticals. His suicidal thoughts began only after being put on a drug regime. A couple of years ago, I saw the same unfolding situation with someone closer to me, and early signs that it might end in tragedy. Desperate and determined to make sure it wouldn't happen I did my research and I managed to get him on a megavitamin treatment, a mindfulness programme and made damned sure he knew we weren't going to leave him to the mercy of a bunch of drug pushing quacks. Two years later and (after a very slowly phased reduction) he's been off the drugs for nearly one year and we haven't looked back. The quacks by the way, who had him on an increasing spiral of "medications" were not impressed and kicked him off their programme. Today, they refuse even to acknowledge his achievement when really they should be delighted and asking how he did it.

A huge regret that I have is we weren't given the opportunity to do the same for my nephew.


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