The Daniel Morcombe thread
Mar 13th 2014, 10:14 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
Perhaps I am a lone voice here. But I am very disturbed at how he was trapped. According to this article he could only get in on a big deal if he admitted he was involved in Daniel's murder. So he admitted it. Even though previously in undercover investigations he had not admitted any involvement.
Stings like this remind me of Colin Stagg in the Rachel Nickel case, he implicated himself in something he did not do because he similarly thought there was a reward of some type in pretending he was involved.
No, traps should not be used. It distorts justice.
Stings like this remind me of Colin Stagg in the Rachel Nickel case, he implicated himself in something he did not do because he similarly thought there was a reward of some type in pretending he was involved.
No, traps should not be used. It distorts justice.
IMO, the guy was not that bright, could have easily ' confessed ' for the mateship he talks about ( in the interview ) and the huge money.
1000's of police worked on the case for 10 years, there must have been some pressure to get their man.
No doubt this guy needed locking up, ( previous history which I assume had DNA at some stage ). However I agree, money in any form distorts justice.
Mar 13th 2014, 10:32 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
You are not a lone voice, the local paper has comments saying the same thing.
IMO, the guy was not that bright, could have easily ' confessed ' for the mateship he talks about ( in the interview ) and the huge money.
1000's of police worked on the case for 10 years, there must have been some pressure to get their man.
No doubt this guy needed locking up, ( previous history which I assume had DNA at some stage ). However I agree, money in any form distorts justice.
IMO, the guy was not that bright, could have easily ' confessed ' for the mateship he talks about ( in the interview ) and the huge money.
1000's of police worked on the case for 10 years, there must have been some pressure to get their man.
No doubt this guy needed locking up, ( previous history which I assume had DNA at some stage ). However I agree, money in any form distorts justice.
It is this part of the Criminal Justice System that is ****ed.
There is the potential for miscarriages of justice.
Mar 13th 2014, 10:38 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
not sure if he should rot in hell...but we live in a *** society. That is all.
Mar 13th 2014, 10:49 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
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not sure if he should rot in hell...[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but man sentenced TWICE for raping two little boys should've been in hell long time ago, regardless if he murdered Daniel or not.
not sure if he should rot in hell...[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but man sentenced TWICE for raping two little boys should've been in hell long time ago, regardless if he murdered Daniel or not.
Mar 13th 2014, 11:02 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
He was already number one suspect at the inquest, he just had to give 'em enough rope.
Mar 13th 2014, 11:07 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
Well the sting or trap call it what you will resulted in Cowan showing the undercover cops where he killed Daniel, where he disposed of the body, what car he used & possibly the worst disclosure of how & why he killed him.
He was already number one suspect at the inquest, he just had to give 'em enough rope.
He was already number one suspect at the inquest, he just had to give 'em enough rope.
And I should read back more than 5 threads paying particular attention to links...
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Mar 13th 2014, 11:10 am
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Mar 13th 2014, 11:13 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
Remember it is not as simple as stepping out to the local supermarket....
there is more to jury decisions that meets the eye....real life is not like what you see on the Box..
You might need this system yourself one day.
It is great when it takes time : it means the judge is telling his people to use their loaf.
Remember: the average Joe on the jury will be your average Joe...
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Mar 13th 2014, 11:21 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
It's called 'The Criminal Justice System' mate.
Remember it is not as simple as stepping out to the local supermarket....
there is more to jury decisions that meets the eye....real life is not like what you see on the Box..
You might need this system yourself it one day.
Remember it is not as simple as stepping out to the local supermarket....
there is more to jury decisions that meets the eye....real life is not like what you see on the Box..
You might need this system yourself it one day.
Mar 13th 2014, 11:55 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
I agree - done and dusted
Mar 13th 2014, 12:03 pm
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
I would expect the people - all lay people remember - Jesus wept!- to be correctly advised by the Judge and take their time to ensure a decision was made.
I love it when juries take their time in a publicised and open and shut case - it means the Judge is directing them properly- and they are not just googling away...to get out of court quick.
Mar 14th 2014, 2:45 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
What is the point of giving sentences that run concurrently? So he gets Life (yeah right) with no parole for 20 years but he also gets the other sentences running concurrently so in effect they don't exist. Now that pisses me off a lot.
Mar 14th 2014, 5:14 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
If one of the sentences is life, well back when it meant life - it cancels out the others in terms of time served- but the conviction stands as do the sentences. They still exist.
The real issue here maybe is the fact parole is considered.
Mar 14th 2014, 8:13 am
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Re: The Daniel Morcombe thread
Can anyone answer me this? How can he be convicted for 'indecently dealing with a child ' when there is no forensic evidence. I think I am right in saying (from involvement with SES) that only bones were found ( finally) so where is the evidence of 'indecent dealings'?
Would be interested in the background to that particular charge, based on my previous life in forensics, and various child murders that I've worked on, so if anyone can point me to the real facts behind that charge I would really appreciate it.
Would be interested in the background to that particular charge, based on my previous life in forensics, and various child murders that I've worked on, so if anyone can point me to the real facts behind that charge I would really appreciate it.