The Daniel Morcombe thread
 

Lets all hope they find his body and give that poor family some closure. sicko

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Hopefully his poor family will be able to get some closure.

Good work QPS for not giving up on it.

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Yes and his parents have been the most amazing ambassadors to schools, to the public - they have never let themselves or him down. I think everyone can be commended and it sounds as if they ahve a confession in that they are looking for a body and have actual charges laid that seem to indicate they have the story of what happened.

Its to awful but at least they ahve a chance to bury their boy if they can find him. I just hope the pervert has the decency to tak them to the right place

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That's great news!!!

Well done to the good people of the queensland police...that poor family....8 years of looking for their son.

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I was confused as to why they'd laid murder charges but if he's admitted murder then that explains it. His father seemed very calm, the short clip I saw. Must be a relief in a very sad way.:(

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He must have admitted something - the charges are so specific. And they are searching an area of the coast - so they must have information that has led them there.

Daniels father is so active on the coast with education and research into child abduction. They have had so many times when they have tried to say their good byes. Recently after the inquest, they burnt an effigy that they have had since the original re-construction of the man that picked him up.

They have worked tirelessly to keep the public minds on Daniel and are always so composed but gosh you can see the strain.

I thought it amazing that on that morning, in a 40 minute interval they say 8 known paedophiles definately drove past. Bruce Morcambe did this talk once and said that they come from other places in Queensland to meet here at the beach to view boys.

Its just crazy, what can you do? I guess its always been this way but the media coverage now is enough to make me want to go into lockdown.

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Do we know who it is yet? Intrigued to know if its someone known to Daniel or a stranger.....

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And is it really relevant to use the Headline"Ex Truck Driver"?
I realise the public must have assurances reinforcing that all truck drivers are murderous scum,but what if the accused was an"Ex Banker""Ex Police Constable"'Ex Plumber" etc etc.
Know of more criminals in other fields of work,so why the constant hatred of Logistic Personel?

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I shouldnt joke but since Peter Sutcliffe I have always thought mass murderers were often found in trucks.

seriously though, not sure if its the media but it seems to feature a lot as a profession of the serial murderer

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Clarkson got into big trouble for saying something similar!

He may have had a point though

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The road he went missing on is very busy piece of main highway. It was mid afternoon, he was a well built stocky 13 year old lad. ( the picture on the posters is him much younger )

If he didnt know the abductor surely he would have put up one hell of a fight, so how come nobody saw that:confused: Its not like they were taking a small child, he was a well built lad. That road is so busy, we go to the markets there, right at the spot you never pass ( daytime ) without cars every few seconds in both directions.

Poor kid, but something very odd about it all IMO.

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I get the feeling the parents seem to know who the charged person is?

As for the arrested person; I don't think he's admitted to the charges has he? I was under the impression he's denying all charges?

Its all very cloak and dagger at the mo:confused:

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Don't they just know him because he was on the stand at the inquest recently or do you mean more than that?

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Ok, I've not been following this in detail since they arrested this guy so bear with me. They're searching and digging in specific areas - who told them to look in these places if the accused hasn't admitted to murder and given them the areas? How can they accuse him of murder if he's denying everything? Surely if he's been living in Perth for years, Daniel, if indeed he is dead and if this guy did kill him, could surely be anywhere between here and the West coast.:confused:

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Not sure mate but I got the feeling they knew who he was or maybe it's just how the news article was worded:confused:

Yep, these are the bits of the story that are missing and I guess will come out once the trial begins. There must be something that has become evident to lead the police to the charges and to looking for Daniels remains in that area. Watch this space I guess.......

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All I've heard is that the suspect was a "person of interest" in the initial stages of the enquiry years back.

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I'm assuming (knowing nothing about it professionally at all) that just because he is contesting the charges doesn't necessarily mean he hasn't given them info in it.

For instance that guy who killed all those kids in Norway recently has said he did it, said he did kill all those kids, but he's still contesting it and pleading not guilty because he's saying it wasn't a criminal act, it needed doing (or something crazy like that).

So just because this guy (who has been named now) is contesting the charges doesn't mean he's necessarily saying he doesn't know anything about it and they've got the wrong guy. (Although he might be saying that for all I know.). If that makes sense.

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That's one helluva crazy mixed up post- but I understood every word of it:lol::thumbup:

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It does strangely enough. :D If that's how it is, then it makes him even more of a bastard though. By pleading not guilty (if he really is) means the family have to sit through an entire trial for no reason. Anyway I will stay away until someone tells me all the facts are in as I hate the public mutterings about it when they only know a fraction of the truth.

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I think most people are just as confused over this. I dug out my Sherlock Holmes hat and smoking pipe over the weekend, and here is my theory....please shoot it down in flames if it seems far fetched...

First, what we are fairly sure is true:
a) The suspect was questioned immediately after the disappearance. Some circumstantial evidence pointed towards him being guilty.
b) Over time, more and more circumstantial evidence was gathered pointing towards the accused. The views of investigating officers would be firming over time, narrowing down suspects. Yet still no hard evidence.
c) The inquest occurred Oct-April 2011. The suspect's alibi was shown to be incorrect. Post April 2011, I think that the police are 99% certain of the suspect's guilt.

Yet there is no smoking gun. Police need to find the body, and they need to link the location to the suspect. How do they do that? They need to get the suspect to reveal the location.

We also know 2 more crucial pieces of info. 1) The suspect was lured back to Qld in a covert op by police. 2) Police are searching a very specific, fairly small area.

Is it possible that a GPS transmitter/homing device was placed on the suspect or on his vehicle? When the suspect headed back into Qld, the police may have followed from a distance into the state forest, and then apprehended him at the site itself.

Why would the suspect return to the location? The only reason I can think of, would be that he was concerned that the body would be uncovered/had already been uncovered.

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Perhaps I should be doing this too... please delete my post above, if you feel (for any reason at all) that we shouldn't be speculating on this.

regards

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Well we shouldn't but it's human nature to. It's the knee jerk lynch mob mentality I hate. The police have arrested someone so let's string him up by his balls before the prison gates have had a chance to be locked. Doesn't help anyone, especially the family.

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It was after midnight, I'd just finished a busy late shift at work. That's my excuse anyway :D

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Shouldn't the title of this thread be "So it seems they have a suspect in Daniel's disappearance?"

I would think that without a body there is no evidence that he's actually dead. And without a post mortem exam there's no way to say how he died (if he's actually dead). If nobody saw him being abducted is it not possible he left on his own? (unlikely, but still possible).


Yes, I know I'll be slated for this, but it seems that a lot of people have concluded that this suspect is guilty without knowing all the facts.

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A suspect with enough evidence to charge. There were multiple suspects. This is where the press has to be careful not to prejudice a trial. The worst outcome would be for the press to muck up the trial and we still have a risk to children on the loose.

New media users should also think before they post.

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Absolutely, we must remember innocent until proven guilty. And I really hope we get a fair trial.

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:lol: it's a bloody forum ..... everyone jumps to conclusions at some time or another, whether it's being bitchy about someone or speculation about a suspected murderer .......everyone has an opinion:sneaky:.....except me:lol:

Yeh right:rolleyes: admit it. you're as daft as a brush like the rest of us mate:D

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You wouldn't want to live in bloody Nambour would you:eek: I always thought those folks looked weird, especially the truckies from Nambour:ohmy:
Hey! Jumping to conclusions is the only exercise I get:ohmy:

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They have been looking in an area 50 metres squared (although they are now searching watercourses past that because of the flood).

The guy, regardless of whether he did it is a known paedophile who brutally attacked 2 other young boys - both who came forward later and got him charged.

He was living on the Sunshine Coast at the time.

He admits that he drove down that road now.

All of a sudden it has become very specific - the search area, the charges - I mean they didnt just charge him with suspected abduction. They have, what seems to be detailed information.

I was saying to Andrew, they wouldnt want to put me on the jury because whether he did it or not I woudlnt risk the chance and would just vote guilty anyway. Who gives a s**t - hes an admitted pervert who has already ruined two little boys lives - the only thing I hope is that it is the right man and something of Danny can be found so at least his parents have him back.

They found a shoe and brought in the dogs - so lets hope its not just an old shoe and it does belong to him - not that of course I want him to be dead but if he is, let those poor parents get their sons body back to bury.

It is a busy road, but under that bridge, its so dark and inconspicous. A bus was due and was late and Daniel put his hand up for it - the driver radioed in and was told not to pick him up, they woudl send another. 5 minutes later he was gone.

Now this is total supposition but I just picture, this paedophile with a pre-existing penchant for teenage boys, seeing Daniel with his red t-shirt on putting his hand up and the bus passing him.

Daniel was a nice, polite, young child of 13 - biggish or not there is no chance a child of this age would have any chance against a grown man who wanted to abduct him. Theres nothing "maddy" like about this story - he was abducted - they know that. The thing is finding out who and how.

Its every parent's nightmare. And those parents have and are doing more for child safety in Australia than anyone -their search has been tireless and they are always thinking of how they can help others and raise awareness. They give talks to schools continuously and are real people who have respected everyone around them - from the police, to the accused right the way through.

All of the persons of interest were known paedophiles I think - straight after the inquest they burnt an effigy used in the original reconstruction of the suspect P7 (who has now been arrested) and so I am sure there is a lot more we dont know about.

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I also hope for a fair trial. So Daniels parents know the truth - if the answer lies with this man.

But as wiht every paedophile - I honestly couldnt give a rats what happens to him after - even if the vigilantes poke him all over with pins and roll him in salt and vinegar.

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I think its highly possible DM may have known the abductor. And that is often the case anyway.

Wasnt it at 2pm in december, peak daylight, blaring sunshine, start of school holidays, traffic would have been very busy. How on earth did the guy get him in the car without somebody seeing a struggle:confused: He was gone in minutes, most teens would easily put up one hell of a fight for longer than that even with a grown man. I wonder if he missed the bus then someone he knew came along .....

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yea maybe. The spot is under a bridge and its quite a shadow there - I drive past a lot and always look at the memorial and think how the bridge sort of makes it hard to see.

But also, it seems strange to some, but its such a safe area here. Especially pre-Daniel.

So people tend to help each other and chat - I am not sure if anyone had stopped and said "hey mate, missed the bus? I can drop you down" that a child wouldnt go. seems unreal in this day and age but, living here, I feel a little like I have gone back in time. Especially years ago when I first came here.

There was a lot of press in the uk about attempted abductions where they ask the way somewhere and then show a map - child reaches in, gets grabbed and pulled into the car. I can remember my mum telling me never to go near any car.

I guess time will tell the story hopefully.

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I've just had a little google about all this and the SCD are saying the man accused attended the church just up the road from there.

The chances he was known or familiar to DM or the family are pretty high IMO then:ohmy:. For those that dont know the area is a small community, country town like.

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so maybe he did know him - this guys a lovely man:

His attraction to young boys started in primary school and by the time he was 18 he had preyed on 10 to maybe 30 children.

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He brutally molested the six-year-old, at one stage covering the child’s mouth as he cried loudly.

P7 left the boy to die.

The youngster was found that evening when he stumbled out of bushland naked and covered in dirt, cuts and bruises.

His eyes had haemorrhaged and his lung was punctured, injuries doctors said were caused by strangulation. He was so battered the policewoman who found him thought he had been run over by a car.

“I don’t have to worry about anything, I didn’t do it,” P7 told police when he was interviewed at the caravan park.

It was not until four days after the attack when police told him they had found DNA evidence on the boy that P7 confessed.

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So what does that have to do with Daniel? Yes, he has performed some ghastly acts. But he's been tried, convicted and served his time for those crimes. Just because he was guilty of those does not necessarily mean he is guilty of every crime against a young boy.

From the above it seems P7 is attracted to boys aged 6 & 7. Wasn't Daniel a large 13 year old? IMO very dissimilar physically to a 6 or 7 year old.

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Personally, I think it is highly relevant information.

Given the facts of the case, there is a high degree of probability that DM was abducted. We know that only a very tiny percentage of the population is capable of this kind of act, a very small number of people. We know for certain that the suspect is one of that number, as he has been tried and convicted on several occasions. The fact that the suspect has already shown himself to be a repeat offender after being punished several times in the past, indicates that there is a probability that he has/will repeat the offence.

If we agree that DM was abducted, and if we agree that only a very tiny percentage of the population would undertake the crime of abduction, then the suspect's past history is highly relevant because straight away it flags him as one of a very small number of people who are known (with certainty) to be capable of abduction.

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But do we agree he was abducted? Do the police have evidence that he was abducted? Witnesses who saw him being abducted or just the presumption?

Sorry, I know I sound argumentative, but these are questions I really have to ask before I'm willing to find someone guilty of a crime based on prior bad acts. I can only hope a jury will ask the same questions before passing judgement.

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Without any firm evidence or an admission of guilt, the jury simply won't be able to find the suspect guilty....past acts or not.

edit - as per my other post though, the reason that the past acts are relevant, is that it flags the suspect as someone who is capable of abduction. The police will certainly have based the arrest on something more substantial than what we have discussed in this thread.

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Oh, I don't doubt the police have a lot more evidence than any of us do and I agree that on the surface his prior convictions make the suspect stand out. It just irks me to see so many people who will judge a person guilty of a crime when they don't have all the facts. And who want to convict him again just for being what he is, whether he killed anyone or not. While it sickens me that anyone would brutally rape not one but at least 2 chidren, P7 has served his sentence.

I honestly don't think that he will get a fair trial with a Qld jury. There has been so much publicity about this case and a lot of sympathy for the parents. I think the general public wants to convict someone so there's some "justice" for the parents. If I were the suspect I would want a trial by judge - no jury. (can he choose judge or jury here?)