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Rambi Mar 17th 2011 9:20 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by Trixietoes (Post 9247920)
I can't recall seeing many if any people in the UK bowing or curtsying when meeting Royalty, so I can't see why the Aussie press are expecting their people to do so. A polite shake of the hand and greeting is all that is needed - the same as any other head of state you happen meet.

If you have no respect for the person - don't go to see them/be in a position where you have to greet them. Simple.

As for the comment that no-one gives a toss about them - a somewhat sweeping statement!! Wasn't there some sort of referendum years ago as to whether to keep the Queen as head of state? Wasn't it decided to keep her?? Whether the margins were great or small is somewhat irrelevant as the majority won the vote.

You'll see it at any line up to which the Queen appears.

Here's an example.


Dorothy Mar 17th 2011 10:23 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by renth (Post 9247492)

You liar. I know your real name and it isn't Anthony.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 9247740)
Yuk :blink: body's ok but the head? :eek:

Drape a flag over his face and do him for your country. ;)

Turban Explorer Mar 17th 2011 10:35 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 9248053)
You liar. I know your real name and it isn't Anthony.


Drape a flag over his face and do him for your country. ;)

What is Renth's real name? Is it Tarquin.

brissybee Mar 18th 2011 1:45 am

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 9247717)
Your hair's changed colour since the last photo you posted.

Edit: Out of interest Brissy Bee where is this article? On the official website, it just states 'There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family' unless you want to.

Sorry MP, I forgot to favourite that one!! :) However, you are spot on, these traditional courtesies aren't obligatory.

Here's the link to the Royals site which confirms the traditional, but not obligatory, protocols.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/HMTheQueen/G.../Overview.aspx

I think the article I read which gave advice on how people might greet the Royal family was in one of the local papers where Prince William is visiting.

Hope that helps. :)

roaringmouse Mar 18th 2011 5:49 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 9247933)
Some people do care about them....but as an irrelevant aside and just as a FYI, the vote was rigged to lose.

The 1999 referendum was rigged to lose, in the sense that some, but not the majority of, republicans abstained from voting for the method of selection at the Constitutional Convention in 1998 (which was dominated by republicans) hoping for a 2nd referendum with direct election as the method.

Those who support a republic model are split into 2 or 3 groups, largely based on how to select the president (presuming a republic model was put in place). The Australian Republican Movement lacks focus on that issue, and suggests 4 possible options!

No wonder the republic supporters can't get what they want, when they as a whole don't know what they want!!

sonlymewalter Mar 18th 2011 6:09 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 9249700)
The 1999 referendum was rigged to lose, in the sense that some, but not the majority of, republicans abstained from voting for the method of selection at the Constitutional Convention in 1998 (which was dominated by republicans) hoping for a 2nd referendum with direct election as the method.

Those who support a republic model are split into 2 or 3 groups, largely based on how to select the president (presuming a republic model was put in place). The Australian Republican Movement lacks focus on that issue, and suggests 4 possible options!

No wonder the republic supporters can't get what they want, when they as a whole don't know what they want!!

jeez I hope they don't have another vote, I can't even understand your response never mind why it was rigged:unsure:

Sally Simpson Mar 19th 2011 7:25 pm

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Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 9249714)
jeez I hope they don't have another vote, I can't even understand your response never mind why it was rigged:unsure:

:lol:

fish.01 Mar 19th 2011 9:40 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 9249700)
The 1999 referendum was rigged to lose, in the sense that some, but not the majority of, republicans abstained from voting for the method of selection at the Constitutional Convention in 1998 (which was dominated by republicans) hoping for a 2nd referendum with direct election as the method.

Those who support a republic model are split into 2 or 3 groups, largely based on how to select the president (presuming a republic model was put in place). The Australian Republican Movement lacks focus on that issue, and suggests 4 possible options!

No wonder the republic supporters can't get what they want, when they as a whole don't know what they want!!

They seem quite clear on their website. They recommend the following framework for an Australian republic:

1. Australia’s Head of State to be an Australian citizen.
2. Australia’s Head of State to be a non-executive Head of State and to have powers like those of the current Governor-General.
3. Australia’s constitution to have all references to the Queen and the Monarchy removed and replaced with references to Australia’s Head of State.
4. Australia’s Head of State to be dismissed only by a significant majority vote of the Federal Parliament.

Additionally they support the people democratically deciding the selection method of the Australian head of state.

roaringmouse Mar 19th 2011 10:39 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 9251774)
Additionally they support the people democratically deciding the selection method of the Australian head of state.

Exactly - it's no wonder republicans can't get what they want, when they can't decide what they want.

They give 4 options for selecting the hypothetical president that have been previously discussed, but offer no guidance and no focus. One big reason the 1999 referendum returned a "no" was that those who supported a republic could not agree with each other.

Another reason was the "if it ain't broken, why fix it" line of thought - everyday life will not change or suddenly become better just because a president is head of state, rather than the Queen of Australia.

fish.01 Mar 19th 2011 10:51 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 9251852)
Exactly - it's no wonder republicans can't get what they want, when they can't decide what they want.

They are saying the important point for them is an Australian Head of State as outlined in the framework. While they would have various personal preferences they recognise that the method of selection should be decided democratically before the referendum after the input from experts in the broader community. To facilitate this they suggest the following procedure:

1. A non-binding plebiscite on the threshold question of do you want Australia to become a republic with an Australian Head of State?

2. A second plebiscite on the form of a republic including the selection method (following the full development of forms of a republic, including the selection method, by experts).

3. A referendum offering a choice between adopting the form of republic approved by the second plebiscite or remaining a constitutional monarchy.

Note this recommends step 2. follow the "full development of forms of a republic, including the selection method, by experts"

sonlymewalter Mar 19th 2011 11:25 pm

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oh buggar we're getting all academic:unsure:

i only came on here to curtsey and doff me cap:o

fish.01 Mar 19th 2011 11:34 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 9251911)
oh buggar we're getting all academic:unsure:

i only came on here to curtsey and doff me cap:o

Just give me your proxy vote in the referendum and think no more of it :sneaky::D

sonlymewalter Mar 19th 2011 11:37 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 9251921)
Just give me your proxy vote in the referendum and think no more of it :sneaky::D

:lol: no:p

Rambi Mar 20th 2011 1:02 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 
I've been wondering if being out of the UK too often in the year affects the Queen's social security payments. Maybe that's why she doesn't visit her other dominions more often :D

sonlymewalter Mar 20th 2011 1:27 pm

Re: Courtesy for Prince William
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9253198)
I've been wondering if being out of the UK too often in the year affects the Queen's social security payments. Maybe that's why she doesn't visit her other dominions more often :D

maybe we should do a RSL raffle:lol:


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