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Old Aug 25th 2018, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by GarryP
He has apparently invited Trump for an official visit ....
Good

It's right that the democratically elected leader of the free world visits the Southern Hemisphere's greatest liberal democracy and one of his best allies
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He has apparently invited Trump for an official visit ....

All he needs to do is give Abbott an ministerial position to really get into that swing of unforced errors that tanks his support DOWN from 8.6%.
He may decide it best to bring Abbott inside the tent, but could prove costly. Abbott is a destroyer. He was at his best in opposition last time around. Morrison will need to watch his back. I wonder if he will bring Dutton back in as well? Every likelihood but doubt that the right will be contented with small offerings. They want own agenda and power. One of the weaknesses of Turnbull was attempting to be too accommodating. You do that at your peril with The Right, who have no loyalty. Best kept well at bay.

I think the Trump invitation is just a confirmation of a visit that was already proposed.
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He may decide it best to bring Abbott inside the tent,

I think the Trump invitation is just a confirmation of a visit that was already proposed.
Two unforced errors. He KNOWS how much Abbott and co cannot be trusted, and how they will take any opportunity to seek power. He also KNOWS that nobody sane wants Trump anywhere near them, with him being a focus for both demonstrations, and a rallying point for the cretins.

Morrison was never going to get a honeymoon period, but actively moving and courting the far right is exactly the wrong move if he wants to win the next election. He needs the moderates to trust (and vote for) him, and he needs the likes of Hanson and the other loons beaten down, not built up.
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He also KNOWS that nobody sane wants Trump anywhere near them, with him being a focus for both demonstrations, and a rallying point for the cretins.
Yet still a legally elected leader of a great democracy and ally - and someone who could very realistically be re-elected in 2020 in he runs (although I don't think he will)

Why do those on the left hate democracy so much? That's a genuine question BTW - something I find really hard to fathom
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Yet still a legally elected leader of a great democracy and ally - and someone who could very realistically be re-elected in 2020 in he runs (although I don't think he will)

Why do those on the left hate democracy so much? That's a genuine question BTW - something I find really hard to fathom
Having serious legitimate (imo) reasons for believing the legally elected leader of a great democracy is a dangerous and corrupt individual is completely different to hating democracy. Hating/disliking/loving someone and their policies/beliefs/actions and voicing that opinion is everyone's democratic right.
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Good

It's right that the democratically elected leader of the free world visits the Southern Hemisphere's greatest liberal democracy and one of his best allies
You mean that bloke, whose a hair away from impeachment ,to visit another bloke whose economic policy has just (rightfully) being thrown out of the window?
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Two unforced errors. He KNOWS how much Abbott and co cannot be trusted, and how they will take any opportunity to seek power. He also KNOWS that nobody sane wants Trump anywhere near them, with him being a focus for both demonstrations, and a rallying point for the cretins.

Morrison was never going to get a honeymoon period, but actively moving and courting the far right is exactly the wrong move if he wants to win the next election. He needs the moderates to trust (and vote for) him, and he needs the likes of Hanson and the other loons beaten down, not built up.
But do the moderates on that side hold the key to holding seats in the next election? Surely the move Right over time, went to far in the case of appeasement by Turnbull, but the seats need holding appear to be in QLD. The fear of the Right up there seems paramount to remaining in office. As such, I wonder how far a swing back to the middle, the Right will allow? We have seen how destructive this side of politics is.
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He has apparently invited Trump for an official visit ....
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And? ..... your point?

Do we want to sell stuff to the US? Absolutely.

Might just keep you in your government job.
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But do the moderates on that side hold the key to holding seats in the next election? Surely the move Right over time, went to far in the case of appeasement by Turnbull, but the seats need holding appear to be in QLD. The fear of the Right up there seems paramount to remaining in office. As such, I wonder how far a swing back to the middle, the Right will allow? We have seen how destructive this side of politics is.
QLD is but one state. He needs the liberals to be doing much better in the southern states if he is to maintain his new job. Hell, given his unpopularity, he'd need a miracle anyway - but he seems not to realise that. Turnbull managed to lie his way a draw last time with his vapid "jobsngrowth", but Morrison has even less to play with.

I'm thinking he's going to try and make off with the silver ahead of the election, that actually fighting it is the last thing on his mind. And given he knows what the real economic numbers are, that's not a good sign.
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Plenty of women in the new cabinet. But then again there was before so Labors ploy on that one is again mute.
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. Turnbull managed to lie his way a draw last time with his vapid "jobsngrowth", but Morrison has even less to play with.

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Hilarious ..... you guys can't even give success credit, instead you lie about the facts. Ha ... ha ... ha. .... Mediscare.
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You mean that bloke, whose a hair away from impeachment ,to visit another bloke whose economic policy has just (rightfully) being thrown out of the window?
But he hasn't been impeached - so that argument is irrelevant

Inviting the leader of the free world here is the right thing to do
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Hating/disliking/loving someone and their policies/beliefs/actions and voicing that opinion is everyone's democratic right.
Which is why DT should be invited

All those things are great - as long as you are prepared to have both sides of the story told - warts and all. Something that is impossible under our current laws
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QLD is but one state. He needs the liberals to be doing much better in the southern states if he is to maintain his new job. Hell, given his unpopularity, he'd need a miracle anyway - but he seems not to realise that. Turnbull managed to lie his way a draw last time with his vapid "jobsngrowth", but Morrison has even less to play with.

I'm thinking he's going to try and make off with the silver ahead of the election, that actually fighting it is the last thing on his mind. And given he knows what the real economic numbers are, that's not a good sign.
Probably pretty much what will happen. A few populist sweeteners, in an attempt to arrest concern from QLD right wingers fearing their salaries, I mean seats, with as little as possible that will startle the horses, until post election if they win. Depending on how the Parliament will look, a preference for unleashing another pro big end of town economic manifesto.
That Belgian bloke back in his post. One conniving, self centred fellow is that. Suits the party he claims to be part of, although his antics just display not a man to have by your side when the chips are down. Full respect to Bishop to not wanting to be part of those ill disciplined, egocentric bunch of career narcissists.
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Probably pretty much what will happen. A few populist sweeteners, in an attempt to arrest concern from QLD right wingers fearing their salaries, I mean seats, with as little as possible that will startle the horses, until post election if they win. Depending on how the Parliament will look, a preference for unleashing another pro big end of town economic manifesto.
That Belgian bloke back in his post. One conniving, self centred fellow is that. Suits the party he claims to be part of, although his antics just display not a man to have by your side when the chips are down. Full respect to Bishop to not wanting to be part of those ill disciplined, egocentric bunch of career narcissists.
It's even more point to get Frydenberg referred to the high court over his citizenship now. If Labor could manage that it would really stir the hornets nest.
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