The Australian Police force
Apr 24th 2012, 9:06 pm
#76
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Re: The Australian Police force
Well I've never seen real policeman act like those people, even detectives.
I've met plenty of 'Walts' who think cops and soldiers operate like that. They tend to be the people who watch too much TV.
OK....sounds right.
Some other scenarios...a gunman is armed with a rifle and is holed up in a house....backup is 20mins away....you and civilians are standing 250m away in open ground and are being targeted. When the gunman fires, it is effective fire...rounds are hitting the ground around you and people have already been hit. There is a ditch. What is the advice given in this scenario. (Do you guys get taught fieldcraft and tactics?)
I would jump in the ditch. My pistol would be useless, but discharging it might prevent the gunman from returning fire - for a short period. An offensive choice would be to outflank, assuming there is cover, or advance....even do what soldiers call fire and maneouvre - but this requires a willing and able (and fit) partner and is almost suicidal - even soldiers would not do this as a first option.
So I would wait for backup - with rifles - and direct through cover to outflank the gunman. I would also get every man and women in the ditch alongside.
Of course a reckless charge might win me a medal! Is this what you guys might do?
Not trying to be argumentative - just positing a scenario!
I've met plenty of 'Walts' who think cops and soldiers operate like that. They tend to be the people who watch too much TV.
OK....sounds right.
Some other scenarios...a gunman is armed with a rifle and is holed up in a house....backup is 20mins away....you and civilians are standing 250m away in open ground and are being targeted. When the gunman fires, it is effective fire...rounds are hitting the ground around you and people have already been hit. There is a ditch. What is the advice given in this scenario. (Do you guys get taught fieldcraft and tactics?)
I would jump in the ditch. My pistol would be useless, but discharging it might prevent the gunman from returning fire - for a short period. An offensive choice would be to outflank, assuming there is cover, or advance....even do what soldiers call fire and maneouvre - but this requires a willing and able (and fit) partner and is almost suicidal - even soldiers would not do this as a first option.
So I would wait for backup - with rifles - and direct through cover to outflank the gunman. I would also get every man and women in the ditch alongside.
Of course a reckless charge might win me a medal! Is this what you guys might do?
Not trying to be argumentative - just positing a scenario!
Apr 24th 2012, 9:46 pm
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Apr 24th 2012, 9:54 pm
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Apr 24th 2012, 10:08 pm
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Apr 24th 2012, 10:16 pm
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Re: The Australian Police force
Well I've never seen real policeman act like those people, even detectives.
I've met plenty of 'Walts' who think cops and soldiers operate like that. They tend to be the people who watch too much TV.
OK....sounds right.
Some other scenarios...a gunman is armed with a rifle and is holed up in a house....backup is 20mins away....you and civilians are standing 250m away in open ground and are being targeted. When the gunman fires, it is effective fire...rounds are hitting the ground around you and people have already been hit. There is a ditch. What is the advice given in this scenario. (Do you guys get taught fieldcraft and tactics?)
I would jump in the ditch. My pistol would be useless, but discharging it might prevent the gunman from returning fire - for a short period. An offensive choice would be to outflank, assuming there is cover, or advance....even do what soldiers call fire and maneouvre - but this requires a willing and able (and fit) partner and is almost suicidal - even soldiers would not do this as a first option.
So I would wait for backup - with rifles - and direct through cover to outflank the gunman. I would also get every man and women in the ditch alongside.
Of course a reckless charge might win me a medal! Is this what you guys might do?
Not trying to be argumentative - just positing a scenario!
I've met plenty of 'Walts' who think cops and soldiers operate like that. They tend to be the people who watch too much TV.
OK....sounds right.
Some other scenarios...a gunman is armed with a rifle and is holed up in a house....backup is 20mins away....you and civilians are standing 250m away in open ground and are being targeted. When the gunman fires, it is effective fire...rounds are hitting the ground around you and people have already been hit. There is a ditch. What is the advice given in this scenario. (Do you guys get taught fieldcraft and tactics?)
I would jump in the ditch. My pistol would be useless, but discharging it might prevent the gunman from returning fire - for a short period. An offensive choice would be to outflank, assuming there is cover, or advance....even do what soldiers call fire and maneouvre - but this requires a willing and able (and fit) partner and is almost suicidal - even soldiers would not do this as a first option.
So I would wait for backup - with rifles - and direct through cover to outflank the gunman. I would also get every man and women in the ditch alongside.
Of course a reckless charge might win me a medal! Is this what you guys might do?
Not trying to be argumentative - just positing a scenario!
Apr 24th 2012, 10:52 pm
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Apr 27th 2012, 10:38 am
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Re: The Australian Police force
The thought of you in a uniform and holding handcuffs just drives me wild.
(just a tad concerned about your truncheon though....)