WORD IS HE WAS A BIT ROUGTH AROUND THE EDGES ,HE WAS CRAP AT SLINGING DOORS ON.
PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR DIVINE INTERVENTION FROM HIM ABOVE TO HAVE PASSED HIS TRA

I am aware of this... although I'm sure that the same punishments would be dished out for insulting Attaturk... (founder of modern Turkey for the less educated!!) and the human rights record is on par with Sudan tbh!!

With reference to the post regarding 'bored housewives'...
I wish!!

Upon her return to Britain Gillian Gibbons said:

"It was terrible, I was regularly raped and tortured, I had to eat rats and all my possessions were stolen.

And thats why I left Liverpool."

I thought she returned to England - not 'Britain'

England is in Britain, isn't it?

Was last time I looked.

One and the same

You would think there would be a lot of disagreement on that statement, surely ?

Britain (Great Britain) = A political term describing England, Scotland and Wales
UK (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) = Great Britain + N.I.

England comprises 84% of the population of the UK, and as a result, most of the world assumes that "British" people are English unless otherwise stated.

Obviously, if I was Welsh, Scottish, or from N.I, I may be less than impressed with that assumption ?

Let's ask the audience....
If you are English, would you mind someone referring to you as Scottish or Welsh ?

Always makes for a good discussion, this one :-)

No discussion to be had mate.

England governs, owns the land, wipe there noses in times of strife and dishes out a good spanking to militants like William Wallace when they get choppsy.

Actually, it's a great discussion.
It never ceases to amaze me how much confusion there is on this subject from citizens of the UK.

Here is a cracking article for you all to read
England is Not a Country

http://geography.about.com/od/politi...englandnot.htm
There are eight accepted criteria used to determine whether an entity is an independent country or not.

A country need only fail on one of the eight criteria to not meet the definition of independent country status. England does not meet all eight criteria; it fails on six of the eight criteria...

A Jock governs the UK. A wanker of a Jock, but a Jock none the less.

Didn't work so well on trying to keep the roughly 4 million choppsy Irish in shape !!

Hence the change of the title in 1921 from "United Kingdon of Great Britain and Ireland" to "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

It did take approx 700 years of "choppsiness" to finally give the norman invaders the boot though.......
Could have done it a bit quicker, but being Irish, we were probably out partying too much :-)

Long live Choppsiness !!!!!

I lived in England, not Great Britain, Britain, The United kingdom etc therefore as far as I am concerned I am English, not British

Correct. This it where it gets into the nitty gritty of what people consider themselves to be as opposed to what citizenship you actually are.

You can only be a citizen of a sovereign nation (in this case, "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", commonly referred to as the UK, United Kingdom or Britain).

You cannot be a citizen of England, although you can certainly originate from there and be very proud of that fact.

A good mate of mine when asked where he is from always declares "London" rather than England, UK or anything else, such is his sense of identity with that city :-)

The love of Religion is the root of all evil :-)

Pinching a quote from Richard Dawkins here (I'm sure he won't mind !)

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."