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if the experience of Singapore is anything to go by, this is probably why Queensland is aiming to exceed an 80% vaccination rate before the virus gains traction in the state https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...rmal/100450154

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Did you read the article? Of course its enough. The vaccines are not designed to prevent people from catching Covid (if only they were). They are designed to stop serious illness. Like the article says, Singapore recorded its 58th death (only 58, ha ha ha) in an 80 year old partially vaccinated man with diabetes and heart problems.

Life is more than Covid. Of course 80% is enough.

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You’re funny.

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i for one am very glad that Anna and the doc are aiming for higher than 80%.

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It will be enough

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Have you asked the Palette and the Granny how they intend on getting anywhere near 80% in Qld? Remember this is Queensland.

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Even with 90 pct plus vaccinated, we are still going to get Covid mass outbreaks...... Here comes MU,.... Vaccine resistant and in 50 states in the USA and gaining traction in Europe.

The mutations will keep coming in, they will get more contagious and spread via imports if not via people.


So either learn to live with it, or stay in lockdown forever. Covid is here to stay.

How Do Variants Arise? Mu Variant, With Potential to Evade Vaccines, Found in All 50 States (newsweek.com)

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Over 600 people have died having had double vaccines in the UK from Covid since the roll out began in January..

. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ryand2july2021

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600? Or 256?

​​​​​There's 30,000 cases a day. Shows the effectiveness of the vaccine.

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I think enough is when everyone who wants it can get it.

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Surely that should be "when everyone who wants it has had both doses more than 21 days ago"?

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Correct re the 30K a day, the other stat that keeps escaping the public is 70pct of deaths in the UK at least have been in the over 80 age group with pre existing conditions like Dementia, heart conditions and generally speaking people in the last stages of life and mostly in nursing homes.


640 to be exact and 11,500 with single dose vaccine.


Cant find any official stats on long Covid, most of those reports stop after 12 weeks. It is also looking like AZ is the most effective vaccine for the MU variant.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...8392bde0ca.jpg

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Haven't we passed the everyone who wants it? Maybe not for the 12-18 year olds as ATAGI hasn't approved AZ for that group yet. They should though. But for the +18's, there is no longer an excuse.

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458 right? According to that graph.

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'Plus the 182 pre 21 days...., They supposedly had some protection.

Thing is Beoz most of these victims are over 80 years old and have pre existing chronic conditions. How does this virus continuously strike the Nursing homes. Where is the focus on protecting the most vulnerable?



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Yep average age of 84.

I guess you would hope, that the 182 pre 21 days would become a thing of the past after the initial round. And hopefully the vax companies get better at making it and dealing with variants as time draws on.

Definitely enough there to move on.

Maybe not for Queensland. I reckon they will struggle to get 70% without a decent outbreak forcing the issue,

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I don't think so - many areas still waiting on supply I think.

Most areas no where near getting everyone double dosed plus 21 days. Probably end of the year for that.

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Why the hard on for QLD - you know they are ahead of WA in vaccination rates right?

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Where is waiting on supply? We are told we are swimming in AstraZeneca, the better vaccine.

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Because Qld needs to open up for the sake of its economy where as WA could build a wall with its mining cash and only upset those who need to see family. Plus all the irrational thoughts of Palette and the Granny make Qld so much fun to poke at.

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Just about everywhere is waiting because everyone is waiting on Pfizer. That's due in part to the bad press for AZ, as seen on here by some people.

Even then, getting any vaccine out to some areas will be slow going - and getting enough doses into arms in high density areas is also slow going.

For us, and states like QLD, WA, etc - it really does need to speed up so that we reach vaccine targets before delta makes it here.

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Why on earth would anyone wait for Pfizer? Its proving to be the worst vaccine out of the lot available here. Just look at Israel which is entirely vaccinated on Pfizer. I am switching it up to AstraZeneca. I want the longer power and a locally made brew that I don't have to get in the world wide queue for. If Moderna comes along maybe that, but AZ is proving the front runner if I am in a position to choose next time due to its abundance. I get a feeling we are going to need a lot of boosters.

Interesting article on Moderna v Pfizer.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...evels-in-study

And thats the thing isn't it, people sitting tight thinking there is no Covid. It can hit you pretty quick and before you know it everyone is scrambling for a shot

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BTW did I read somewhere Janette Young's husband is a regular receiver of kick backs from Pfizer so she has personal financial interests in making AZ look like crap?

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Judging from this paper, that would be back in 2011 or earlier - https://www.asid.net.au/documents/item/139

And his colleague and co-author would add Astra Zeneca to the mix

So, no he does not have financial interests in making AZ look bad in my opinion but I only did a quick google and avoided FB and Bitchute stories.

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Snippets but not much concrete evidence I do agree.

However I do find it strange that a great vaccine in AZ that stops death and hospitalisation has not received the greatest push from the QLD CHO

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Wouldn't her comments be in line with the ATAGI guidelines for QLD though? Which is exactly how NSW CHO views how AZ should be used.

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The advice never prevented anyone under 50 or 60 approaching a GP to discuss the risks around the vaccine. That was the advice. Talk to your GP.

What Young say was "I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca,". That's irresponsible on not her call. It's the decision of the taker and the GP.

The advice was always based on risk. Given Covid could and will jump the border at any time, having your population vaccinated now is the right call.

The NSW CHO is of the view that any vaccine is a good vaccine. Just get vaccinated.

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How much of that is due to the time delay between the AZ and Pfizer shots ?

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I'd take the sort of 'information' posted by Beoz with a large pinch handful of salt.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...icacy-fades-st

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Have you seen anything else on Moderna? (I did note the passing, inconclusive mention in your linked article.)

My youngest offspring is newly eligible, and will get first-shot Pfizer by default in a few weeks, which is fine for the moment. But there's still time to switch to the New New Thing, if more recent data on Moderna's efficacy vs Delta is available. I confess to having had some "pre-print fatigue" recently, so might have missed something.

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I don't think you have been following. (Or maybe following the granny a little too much).

What you aren't considering is the logarithmic speed of wane or when you will get your next booster, how available is it, or when the virus is going to bite you in the ass.

You have about 3 -4 months before Pfizer is starting to become pretty useless again symptomatic infection. Then what? You had your last dose 6 months ago its really ineffective by that point, Pfizer is feeding the developing world at that point, Australia can't get any Pfizer, and you've hung your hat on a dud where you could have just had the less waning AstraZeneca in plentiful supply.

Its not that hard to figure out.

I know you and your state has been hanging out for Pfizer for some bizarre reason, lets hope the new Northern NSW outbreak doesn't come and bite. Maybe it already has and you don't know and you left it too late because Janette Young said so. Remember even after your second dose its a few weeks before its effective.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...17a6c7f4b7.jpg

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"logarithmic speed of wane" more pseudoscience, as evidenced by you taking your reference from the FT who also brought us 'gems of wisdom" such as: "Covd-19 and the case against caution". I respectfully suggest that you learn to use Pubmed, or even Google Scholar.

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I am very, very grateful that our CHO and Premier bought us the time to get pfizer and moderna into our arms. They have done an amazing job.

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Oh, get back under your bridge :tape:

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And yet you aren't even vaccinated. Bright spark

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When you have to resort to ad hominem attack you've already lost the argument.

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Hey on the brightside, you are so late in getting vaccinated your Pfizer should last you until Xmas. Don't worry, you will still be figuring out how to live with Covid by then.

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Use the quote system otherwise it looks like you're arguing with yourself!

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Hey Beoz, saw this & thought of you. Have a lovely day :lol:

How effective are the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines?

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And that article says what .......... ? In summary, they are effective and they wane.

But here's your problem, where will you be in 6 months from getting your Pfizer trophy? Deep in a lockdown? Or deep in living with COVID. Unless you are prepared to switch it wouldn't want to be the latter.

mRNA vaccines are in short supply and it isn't that simple to turn on mRNA factories, and the developing world is currently brewing the next wave of variants, so its pretty certain your best bet, and same with me, is to jump on the longer lasting AstraZeneca as there is shit loads of it.

And by the way, latest studies on Pfizer out of Israel are showing a 16% efficacy of symptomatic infection for those who were vaccinated in January. OUCH. Not good. And thats right, if you were vaccinated in July like I was, I have a pretty damn good chance of catching it around the Christmas table. And given Israel is one of the only countries offering boosters to all age groups, where as all the others are only offering it to the elderly and vulnerable, unless you are either of those, it doesn't look good.

This picture out of Israel should help you out.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...161721615f.jpg