Yes you are wrong, as I mentioned earlier it is the CSL that matters at the moment.

Nurses are on the CSL so you won't be waiting until 2012. A CSL 176 might be a little bit quicker than a CSL 175 but not much, a few weeks or months possibly. If you want flexibility go for the 175 in january when your wife has completed 12 months.

That doesn't make sense?

Why is stemming the flow of migrants in Australia's interest? Australia isn't in a recession - official - never has been. And the whole idea behind the migration is to bring skilled people into the country? why is this taking jobs away from Australians if those Australians can't do the job in the first place? that's why there is a skills 'shortage' or so it is said. Also - new migrants can't claim work allowances or anything like that so it's not taking money from the government, in fact it's putting it in because most bring a wad with them to buy houses and the like. If they can't afford to live here because no work, etc then they go back.

And what happens when the work is there - which it will be in abundance when the mining kicks off big time in WA, and half the young workforce up sticks and goes and earns massive money up North? Skills shortage again - massive rush of 457 visa's AGAIN, Australia still not getting dedicated permanent residents - just people coming onto the gravy train AGAIN earning masses of money because there is a skills shortage - why - because DIAC are stemming the flow of migrants who want to make a life here.....


seems like this country is going round and round - stopping migrants does not stop Australians getting jobs.... having the wrong skills stops Australians getting jobs.... And even in the boom times there is always a percentage of unemployed no matter - it's the way of the world - employers want the best they can get - stopping immigration negates that.

Applying a national Model to a country which obviously does not operate that way is plain wrong. Just because Queensland has experienced probably the harshest with regards the perceived recession in this country doesn't mean that there is the same crisis in WA, Sydney, Adelaide etc. There is also no denying some companies will use a recession as an excuse to get rid of dead wood.

Yes the world has experienced a recession, most countries are now coming out of it, Australia has never been in it, stopping general skilled migration is just causing trouble for the future of this country...too little too late by the immigration department.

That's what i think anyway.

Ok. If you don't like my answer how about "Because they can".

Saxtonj - I assume you are not in Australia at the moment. If you have spent any time reading around here though you would know that there are plenty of skilled workers that don't have jobs. Australian and immigrants. I also know in my country there are plenty of skilled workers without jobs. There is a global economic downturn.

Your comments would imply that the increased unemployment figures are made up of people with no skills, this is nonsense, there are plenty of professionals and skilled trades in there too. So your theory does not hold water.

Australian government is doing what it thinks is necessay as is their prerogative.

I am in Australia and I think there are lots of jobs about in all vocations....

I don't need to read on these forums - I'm in the middle of it.

I don't imply that the increased numbers of unemployment are made up of unskilled at all, I said that Australia is officially not in recession and that some companies use a recession as an excuse to get rid of dead wood.
My comments said that migrants bring skills that are not locally available - hence the skills shortage - not my words - the Australian Governments words...

There are plenty of skilled and unskilled workers out of work at the moment - yes - but as I also said - in boom times this is also the case. Europe, USA etc has experienced the worse of the Recession as it is there causing of it....

China is booming in the global economic crisis - growth of around 10% i believe i read?

You are right in one thing - the Australian Government is doing what it thinks is necessary as is their prerogative - doesn't make it right though does it. And DIAC is only one arm of the government and I think they're wrong in what they're doing. Australia's average age is getting older i think i read somewhere, the skilled population is getting older i think i also read - without migrants to do the work, it's going to become unbalanced with not enough workers paying taxes to adequately support the economy, the young and the old.

I just think instead of reigning back immigration - in which it supposedly only allows into the country those with the required(and proven) skills for the national workforce - they should keep it going otherwise I think Australias going to be heading for another Critically low numbered skilled workforce.

Cheers

James

It's not that i don't like it - I have no feelings for it whatsoever - it's just that I don't agree with it. And I'm sure that's not their reasoning behind the rules.

I'm going to move this to the Barbie as it has become more a discussion on the recession/jobs than a thread on visa advice.

Well I think you did imply that the unemployed are unskilled. You agree unemployment is up but you also have said that skilled migrants are not taking work off Australians as the Australians cannot fill any of these skilled vacancies you are seeing right across the spectrum anyway as they don't have the skills. So ... the unemployed must be unskilled right?

I don't think the Australian government should be putting the needs and desires of would be immigrants ahead of the needs of the Austrlian population. I do however think it is morally wrong of the government to take huge application fees and then sit on applications for years on end. Beyond that I think the policy has to be as the needs dictate. If demand goes up, immigration can go back up, there's a long queue of people waiting.

Great posts saxtonj, I fully agree. The situation here in Perth is not being helped by the federal legislation, speak to 'WA Immigration' and they will confirm it; unfortunately there is not much they can do about it.

What about the option of regional sponsorship? these are still being processed are they not?

I have heard that all the states are looking at lobbying the government and DIAC to put the rules back to prior 23rd September.

Yes I was told the same.

Hi saxtonj

Where have you heard this, from a reliable source.

Cheers Scott

It was in an australian publication for wannabe migrants that we get in England.....which is why i said i'd heard rather than it being gospel, but apparently it has right p*ssed off a lot of the governments.....Queensland probably excepted....

Why is this in the Barbie? It should be in the immigration forum.

what's a 175 anyway?