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Old Sep 15th 2010, 3:32 am
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
Not at all.

The problem is that there are legitamte cases of sexual harassment in the workplace. Then there are the cases where women are actively seeking a sexual harassment lawsuit in order to get a pay out.

How can an employer differentiate between the two until it actually happens?

If I was a woman looking for easy money then the work place is the place to find it. Personally, Ive found the blokey culture of the blue collar workplace provides plenty of ammo for a woman on the warpath.

Ive met plenty of women who are up for a laugh at work but there is a line and it seems there are also a lot of blokes who cross it. Tough titties.........wait, that was just a joke...................dont sue me.
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII

No kidding however if a crime is committed then it should be reported to police.
Going through the criminal court's is a long and drawn out process with little hope of a conviction.

Let's not forget she is a publicist she is capable of creating good and bad publicity. If I was a publicist and felt wrongly done by I would imagine the bad publicity she is creating for DJ would be a little comforting. I doubt she will get anywhere near 37mil but I bet DJ's are shitting brick's at the thought of having to pay anywhere near that figure.
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
It's all about perception and by asking for this much money she is not being perceived in the correct light by the majority of the public.
It kills me to agree with Dean but in this respect, imo he's right, also with his comments about the police. Whilst she has a case, as, I hope, do the other women who have come out of the woodwork, they should have involved the police.
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
Whilst she has a case, as, I hope, do the other women who have come out of the woodwork, they should have involved the police.
Involving the police rarely leads to a conviction especially when it's one person's word against another. It all comes down to whoever the 12 members of the Jury belive, it is very stressful for the victim and after taking 2 years to get there a judge could just hand out a few hrs community service. Hardly a great punishment for someone who is a multi millionaire
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Originally Posted by kelli28
Involving the police rarely leads to a conviction especially when it's one person's word against another. It all comes down to whoever the 12 members of the Jury belive, it is very stressful for the victim and after taking 2 years to get there a judge could just hand out a few hrs community service. Hardly a great punishment for someone who is a multi millionaire
That's true, however, a perceived outcome should never stop someone from reporting criminal activity to the police at the outset. It would also, I would hope, have some positive bearing on the case, whoever ultimately deals with it. Had she informed the police at the outset, and then informed the bra fiddler that she'd reported him to the police, she could possibly have stopped him from trying it on again with anyone. Just a suggestion.
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.......Ive met plenty of women who are up for a laugh at work but there is a line and it seems there are also a lot of blokes who cross it. Tough titties.........wait, that was just a joke...................dont sue me.
EXACTLY.....this was a case waiting to happen

Whether on purpose, ensnarement, or accident, one thing's for sure, other companies will be watching this. It will create case law, subsequently companies will instill watertight policies to make sure it doesn't happen to them, and it will result in a better working environment.

All round and a greater awareness of those who do it, and need stopping.
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 11:37 am
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Originally Posted by kelli28
Involving the police rarely leads to a conviction especially when it's one person's word against another. It all comes down to whoever the 12 members of the Jury belive, it is very stressful for the victim and after taking 2 years to get there a judge could just hand out a few hrs community service. Hardly a great punishment for someone who is a multi millionaire
And it doesn't force the change in company policy.
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
Well when I was a copper on average 90% of reports of rape were false accusations.
So to be clear, she should have gone to the police where she would likely have come up against this (totally unsubstantiated I notice) attitude?

This is not just one woman against her boss. Given that the response from someone in David Jones' HR was apparently "Not surprised, he's done this before. Next time just be clear with him and say 'no mark' ", David Jones as a company should be punished for condoning unacceptable behavior.

On the subject of Kristy Fraser-Kirk being a gold digger, from the statement of claim: "Punitive damages against the first and second respondents to be paid to a charity assisting persons in the area of sexual harassment and bullying as nominated by the Applicants". I understand that her claim is for $2,000,000 for herself. I say good on her.
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 10:01 pm
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Originally Posted by kelli28
Going through the criminal court's is a long and drawn out process with little hope of a conviction.
But (as a publicist) she would (should) realise that involving the Police will add credibility to her case

Let's not forget she is a publicist she is capable of creating good and bad publicity.
Publicity is a double edged sword. While she is creating bad publicity for DJs, she is also creating bad publicity for herself.
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Originally Posted by kelli28
Involving the police rarely leads to a conviction especially when it's one person's word against another. It all comes down to whoever the 12 members of the Jury belive
Where's the evidence?
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Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
It will create case law
There's already case law for sexual harassment cases.

subsequently companies will instill watertight policies to make sure it doesn't happen to them, and it will result in a better working environment.
No such thing as watertight policies.
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Originally Posted by BenandPam
So to be clear, she should have gone to the police where she would likely have come up against this (totally unsubstantiated I notice) attitude?
It would have been investigated by the Police and if a crime was committed offenders would be charged and prosecuted. It's not about 'attitude'. All reports are treated as serious, legitimate cases, until proven otherwise. It's not the police's fault that a lot of accusations of rape are actually borne out of regret, attention seeking, revenge or creation of an alibi.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by BenandPam
from the statement of claim: "Punitive damages against the first and second respondents to be paid to a charity assisting persons in the area of sexual harassment and bullying as nominated by the Applicants". I understand that her claim is for $2,000,000 for herself. I say good on her.
So she says but once she has the money who will know what she does with it. Her finances aren't public.
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
Where's the evidence?
Exactly there is rarely any, which is why I said it's one person's word against another's
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Old Sep 16th 2010, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
Where's the evidence?
Same place as your "evidence" that 90% of rape accusations are false.
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