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Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by MartinLuther
(Post 6504837)
On nights like last night I'm always glad the SES is there just so us CFA peeps can stay warm and snug (assuming no one starts a fire).
:D
Originally Posted by jond
(Post 6504900)
Pretty quiet last night and today to be honest. Only about 10 callouts in total.
Not like that last big one, 200 plus in 4 days:eek: |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 6489957)
That is also a 'symptom' of many other things.
Why is anyone who is unhappy with their move to Australia labelled as being depressed:confused: Perhaps it is simply a normal response to a crap situation. For those people who are ''too scared to post'' I don't have an issue with genuine cases, in general of people unhappy for whatever reason. I personally just don't have time for some people (a minority)to wade in criticising when they fail to apply the old grey matter and blame everything else all the time, especially when it is proven that this is not the norm, nor the norm for all in Australia. As I've said, I think alot of the controversy is subtle and some of the old complaints I think get a tad tired. If I am miffed with something I think about why or how something is an issue rather than the emotion and often the reason and then the solution is clearer. My wife has taken to doing this too and she's amazed at how happier she is now or at least day to day baggage is put in perspective. |
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I'd have a thermos flask on call just for those long nights.
It's quite strange that on the really windy nights we don't get called out too much, then on other nights the pager doesn't stop. It is still enough to ruin a good nights sleep though as you tend to have an ear out for the pager. Don't bother with the thermos, with big generators on board a fresh cuppa is always available:thumbsup: By the way what do you think of the new joint HQ at Pakenham, looks quite flash to me. John |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by jond
(Post 6505257)
I'd have a thermos flask on call just for those long nights.
It's quite strange that on the really windy nights we don't get called out too much, then on other nights the pager doesn't stop. It is still enough to ruin a good nights sleep though as you tend to have an ear out for the pager. Don't bother with the thermos, with big generators on board a fresh cuppa is always available:thumbsup: By the way what do you think of the new joint HQ at Pakenham, looks quite flash to me. John I had the impression that no CFA mob was in it but that conversation is already a year old. That Pakenham (town) resent it. That there is a rivalry between current Pakenham station and an older one as it is. Someone said Toomuc Valley should move in! |
Re: Why the difference...
Is it just my addled brain or is there some SERIOUS wank being posted on this thread.
Fruit loops spring to mind :rofl: And for once Badge I'm not talking to you :p |
Re: Why the difference...
You think this is bad you want to have a look at the goodbye Perth, hello QLD thread!!!
:p:rofl:;) |
Re: Why the difference...
Not if you're philophosizing on there thanks!
Please someone spell that for me?! pmsl! |
Re: Why the difference...
I stand by my initial reply that attitude is the most important thing. But after a couple of really good nights in with friends this weekend I wish to add that getting a bunch of really good mates makes all the difference too.
But then, we only found these good friends by pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zone when we arrived, took up every invite, didn't get down when some potential friends didn't embrace us and persevered because we knew no one and that solving this would be vital. So I guess that still comes back to attitude with an element of fortune. You make your own luck, as they say. |
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I agree to an extent Worzel, but sometimes it just all gets to hard. I have embraced the Aussie culture for all its worth (I even have Essendon membership LOL) BUT somewhere along the line felt I was loosing "me" and wasn't willing to do that.
Badge mentioned Buzzys "luck" in the same way he used to mention ours. That luck can change in the blink of an eye and when it does the whole of your life, where you are, who you are without etc etc is brought to the front and is very confronting. Its fair to say that I have been through a wide range of emotions during the last 5 years, and whilst doing so steered very clear of here as its far from conjusive to rational thought! Far to many judgemental people calling you a whinger and telling you you don't have "the right attitude" Which, in my opionion is pretty low. Me is who I am. I am happy in my skin now. I have accepted Australias flaws along with my own and am starting, after 5 years, to really feel like I belong and I now have some very good friends by my side, both expats and Aussies. FORCING it, for me, was wrong. Having so many people tell me to force it was wrong. Time is what is needed, thats all. Time to decide one way or another what is right for yourself, not what others deem the "missing link" to be. LOL, you could argue that me telling others what to do is exactly what I'm doing, thats not my intention, just my take on my feelings, cos thats what they are, MY feelings. Same as any other poster who "FEELS" something is wrong...they feel it, just cos someone else doesn't feel it, doesn't make that poster wrong. And to the poster hiding under the guise of philosophy? Sorry love but your head is well and truly somewhere it possibly can't see the light of day! Responsible for our actions? oooh yeah! Responsible for seeing where it just all might go tits up in a big way? Errm..how about NO?! Life is many many shades of grey and to put life into so many closed black and white boxes is rather scary. I wish you luck, though with your lifes mantra, I doubt very much you'll need it ;) |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by hevs
(Post 6514938)
.....And to the poster hiding under the guise of philosophy? Sorry love but your head is well and truly somewhere it possibly can't see the light of day! Responsible for our actions? oooh yeah! Responsible for seeing where it just all might go tits up in a big way? Errm..how about NO?! Life is many many shades of grey and to put life into so many closed black and white boxes is rather scary. I wish you luck, though with your lifes mantra, I doubt very much you'll need it ;)
Perception is in the eye of the beholder. This applies to all walks of life. We all have good days and not so good days whether you live here or in UK and it's these alongside lifes experiences and personal values that makes someone the person they are. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone else says, or what social background someone comes from, or what conversations you've had with people on trains, busses or how lovely Aussies are or how crap living here is or how great living here is, it's all about personal perception and what individual preferences people have. Just because someone loves it or hates it, doesn't make them a better or lesser person which is what some are saying on here. People should just accept differences of opinion and leave it at that without having to degrade someone for thinking differently. Reasoned debate is about putting forward a viewpoint without making people feel inadequate or daft for thinking differently. Like you say, it's all about being "me":) |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by hevs
(Post 6514938)
IFORCING it, for me, was wrong. Having so many people tell me to force it was wrong. Time is what is needed, thats all. Time to decide one way or another what is right for yourself, not what others deem the "missing link" to be.;)
I have found alot of the local women and men to be very superficial indeed. One guy said to me last week 'You are quite pretty and in good shape considering you are 40 years old'. I looked at him, short, bald and 40 himself and I said to him 'Have you looked in the mirror and checked your birth certificate love?' and then went on to tell him that I have noticed how being over 30 seems to be a crime in Perth, getting older or putting on weight or daring not to be attractive also seems to be an offence punished by imprisonment. He laughed and when I asked him why they seemed to run towards old age the moment they hit 30 and more so women were seen as seniors more than the men, he couldn't answer. He was shocked when I said that women in their 40's were having babies, people like my Dad who is pushing 70 were still enjoying working and not going into retirement homes. He also said to me 'You had better get buffed up and in shape for the beach in the summer' and a female colleague asked me if I was going to run up and down that pissing stupid Jacobs Ladder in the park to get fit. Some girls here are obsessed with their weight and none of them are fat, they are all lovely looking and it is as though they need permission to let go and be normal. Well last week I said to this guy 'I don't know where I fit in with Perth life, I love you all and you have become very good friends but you won't see me in a bikini, I swim in a T shirt to avoid a tan, I eat when I am hungry (although being ill I have lost some weight) and I would rather chop my legs off than run up Jacobs ladder' - although pilates/yoga is OK as I did that in the UK. He was quite surprised to hear me say that said that 'it was OK and he liked a girl who was different. Different? I would say we probably are but I tell you one thing - I have made it clear to one or two people that I will not force myself to fit in with the 'Perth image', I will not slate the UK to be accepted and I most certainly will not starve myself or push myself into an image that isn't me. I like it here and if I am going to get fit for anyone, it will be for myself and noone else. And so far that attitude has served me quite well - for a plump 40 year old that is;):lol: |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by hevs
(Post 6514938)
Badge mentioned Buzzys "luck" in the same way he used to mention ours. That luck can change in the blink of an eye and when it does the whole of your life, where you are, who you are without etc etc is brought to the front and is very confronting.
Without going into too much detail, Buzzy has come out the positive side of downward luck himself. I make the point because too often people get the wrong impression and assume he is bragging on his housebuild, whereas they should be happy for him and share his enjoyment for the journey he has come he deserves it. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 6514973)
Good post:thumbup:
Perception is in the eye of the beholder. This applies to all walks of life. We all have good days and not so good days whether you live here or in UK and it's these alongside lifes experiences and personal values that makes someone the person they are. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone else says, or what social background someone comes from, or what conversations you've had with people on trains, busses or how lovely Aussies are or how crap living here is or how great living here is, it's all about personal perception and what individual preferences people have. Just because someone loves it or hates it, doesn't make them a better or lesser person which is what some are saying on here. People should just accept differences of opinion and leave it at that without having to degrade someone for thinking differently. Reasoned debate is about putting forward a viewpoint without making people feel inadequate or daft for thinking differently. Like you say, it's all about being "me":) I don't really think attitude has got that much to do with it . Plenty of people migrate here from the UK , or elsewhere , and come with the right attitude but eventually decide its not for them. Sometimes a change of circumstances or luck may bring this on but ultimately Australia is not fgoing to suit everyone. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by dave_woodsy
(Post 6515005)
Exactly. Theres too many people on here who think cos they think its absolutely marvellous here , or completely sh1te for that matter, that everyone else should think the same. Everyones different and has different likes / dislikes and needs and they are often things that you don't about yourself until you make the move.
I don't really think attitude has got that much to do with it . Plenty of people migrate here from the UK , or elsewhere , and come with the right attitude but eventually decide its not for them. Sometimes a change of circumstances or luck may bring this on but ultimately Australia is not fgoing to suit everyone. I am in with the attitude camp - but I realise not all people will love it here for a number of reasons. Its not a matter of having to stay or enjoy things others say you must. Its about living life fully hearted not half hearted. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by Geelong Gent
(Post 6514999)
True
Without going into too much detail, Buzzy has come out the positive side of downward luck himself. I make the point because too often people get the wrong impression and assume he is bragging on his housebuild, whereas they should be happy for him and share his enjoyment for the journey he has come he deserves it. True- there are some people who are negative weather they be from the UK, Australia or timbuckto, but what gals me is the appaling generalisations that say people have the wrong attitude-whinge too much- don't TRY hard enough, don't live life to the full, glass half empty,....For some its just that they don't feel right here. Thats sad for them and I think thats enough.... |
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hear hear... well said Rapsody!
I'm sick of judgemental posts when people haven't even made the move here yet themselves... I agree wholeheartedly with your comments.Do not assume you know what people are thinking if you haven't walked in their shoes is my motto... By the way, we love it here & I think it helped that we'd been here before but holidays, even month stays here, like we did are no preparation for actually living here. An open mind to what you'll experience when you move certainly helped us & gets us through the rollercoaster that is life here. We can imagine what our life will be like when we arrive in Australia but it rarely turns out exactly as we imagine to start with for probably a lot of people on this site. We moved here for a better lifestyle & got it but it hasn't been easy. 3 years on a rollercoaster but we're still smiling & accept Australia, good & bad as our chosen home. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by dave_woodsy
(Post 6515005)
.......I don't really think attitude has got that much to do with it . Plenty of people migrate here from the UK , or elsewhere , and come with the right attitude but eventually decide its not for them. Sometimes a change of circumstances or luck may bring this on but ultimately Australia is not fgoing to suit everyone.
Aus isn't for everyone. It's not utopia and there are faults because as with any country, Aus sure has them. For us, we see the faults, admit they are there and try to change where we can to fit in or stand up to be counted to make changes for the better. That's because we happen to love it here and think it's worth fitting in where we can and changing things for the better as well as being ourselves without trying to be "Aussies". I think we're respected far more for it and at the end of the day we are not Australian, although we are very proud and privileged to live here:) |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by Geelong Gent
(Post 6514999)
True
Without going into too much detail, Buzzy has come out the positive side of downward luck himself. I make the point because too often people get the wrong impression and assume he is bragging on his housebuild, whereas they should be happy for him and share his enjoyment for the journey he has come he deserves it.
Originally Posted by hevs
(Post 6515070)
Imagine if us, or indeed Buzzy's, outcomes had been different and nothing seemed to be picking up- going right- or simply gelling....
Errr thanks guys but this isn't about me......! There are that many many things that have gone wrong for us since we've been in Australia, the issues with our landlord, the massive issues in dealing with anyone in the building industry, and several other things that I don't want to discuss here, but in answer to the OP, the difference is that I don't subscribe to the theory that the issues are due to anything but our own decisions and actions, and these inconveniences are so outweighed by the enjoyment we get from living here that they don't seem as great as they might have done if we were living somewhere we weren't happy.... Does that make sense? Buzzy |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
(Post 6515217)
Errr thanks guys but this isn't about me......!
There are that many many things that have gone wrong for us since we've been in Australia, the issues with our landlord, the massive issues in dealing with anyone in the building industry, and several other things that I don't want to discuss here, but in answer to the OP, the difference is that I don't subscribe to the theory that the issues are due to anything but our own decisions and actions, and these inconveniences are so outweighed by the enjoyment we get from living here that they don't seem as great as they might have done if we were living somewhere we weren't happy.... Does that make sense? Buzzy |
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And to the poster hiding under the guise of philosophy? Sorry love but your head is well and truly somewhere it possibly can't see the light of day! Responsible for our actions? oooh yeah! Responsible for seeing where it just all might go tits up in a big way? Errm..how about NO?! Life is many many shades of grey and to put life into so many closed black and white boxes is rather scary. I wish you luck, though with your lifes mantra, I doubt very much you'll need it ;)[/QUOTE]
I'm not hiding, I take responsibility for my actions and writings, you will also note, if you read that much, that I apologised for the offence caused..... I received no such apology from Rabsody, who called me the most offensive word, then made excuses for her actions..... which I'm sure you all read! Taking responsibility for my actions seems to have given me a good education, a great career, a happy 20 year marriage, 2 wonderful children, world travel and opportunities to live in different countries around the world. I'm no spring chicken. I make difficult choices like the everyone else. Not least being that my Eldest is a Uni Student and has decided to stay in the UK this time. I make mistakes, like everyone else but I take responsibility, and live with the consequences, or take action to rectify them.... The following link explains it a bit more fully, but it's a bit long winded to put in a post. http://www.coping.org/growth/accept.htm |
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Give it a rest woman!
P.S. I didn't make excuses for my actions, I just think you are full of sh*t frankly. |
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I thought you believed in Karma???? :lol:
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Can we all please cut out the abusive comments and keep it polite, please.
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Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by rabsody
(Post 6517926)
Give it a rest woman!
P.S. I didn't make excuses for my actions, I just think you are full of sh*t frankly. P.P.S. A scenario for you .... you move to Aus with your husband and you have two very young kids in tow, it doesn't work out for whatever reason (could be that your husband beats you, your husband runs off with his secretary, or you are just not compatible), you realise Aus is not for you but you are now unable to move back due to the legalities and you are stuck in a land where you know very few people with no family, little support and with two young kids to support. You go from being a SAHM to working full time overnight. Your little kids suddenly have to be in childcare full time from 7am to 6pm. You then realise you have, oh, about 15 years ahead of you stuck in a country you don't want to be. I know I made the choice to move here, but I did not envisage the way it was going to turn out. I thought my marriage was going to work. Thankfully my situation has improved drastically from the early days and I try and be as positive as best I can but hey, I'm only human, and if want my own private pity party from time to time then I'm going to have one. I don't need some amateur philosopher spouting some tosh about how I chose my situation, or others like me - a situation that they really cannot comprehend until they have walked in my shoes. I honestly fail to see how it helps. You have beautiful daughters who will one day understand the sacrifices you have made for them. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by northernbird
(Post 6517950)
Why are you justifying yourself F, this person is clearly a fruitloop who sees things in black and white rather than the colourful tapestry that life is.
You have beautiful daughters who will one day understand the sacrifices you have made for them. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by rabsody
(Post 6517953)
Thank you NB, I appreciate your support. I shouldn't let it get to me, but I find it upsetting.
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I apologised once, but will do so again, because it appears that you either didn't read it or thought I was being trite. :confused:
I apologise, unreservedly, if I've caused you any offence. My posts were never aimed at anyone personally. The question was 'why the difference.' I just put what I believe, what works for me, and philosophy behind it. Yes, I feel sorry for your situation, but I'm not to blame for it, I've never met you, or your family. I'm hope that day to day things aren't too dreadful, but reading between the lines you ended up with the bum deal, (which I did say earlier) the only thing you can do is play the hand you've got.... it seems to me that you have taken responsibility.... working every hour god sends to give your kids a good life, leaving a marriage that wasn't right for you, and probably, a hundred other things too. |
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I do sympathise with Rabsody's position on this but I've read Alipally's posts carefully and do not think she is trying to offend anyone, nor is she trolling. She has an opinion which differs from that of many on this thread but that doesn't make her "wrong" and she doesn't deserve the abuse that's been flung her way.
A little live and let live peeps, please. |
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Ladies, Gentlemen and all other applicables...
I think it is high time we turned around and had a good hard look at ourselves. It saddens me that this forum keeps degenerating into childish bickering and personal insults. Pretty much all of you guys have helped me, -albeit perhaps unknowingly, at some point in my journey. The concept of this place, surely, is to share our thoughts, experiences, pleasures, pitfalls and downfalls, and gain experience and support from others who have been there, and done that; whilst giving support and advice to others who are about to be there, and do that. If you don't like what someone says, and especially if they are some small minded troll from the deepest depths of gloom, doom, despair and unpleasantness... please IGNORE them. Don't give them the pleasure of biting their bait. Help those who appreciate your help, offer your help to all, but if they don't want it, and turn it back on you, drop them like a lead balloon. Life is too short to waste your time on these petty w***ers. J |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by I_Will_Freckle
(Post 6518094)
I do sympathise with Rabsody's position on this but I've read Alipally's posts carefully and do not think she is trying to offend anyone, nor is she trolling. She has an opinion which differs from that of many on this thread but that doesn't make her "wrong" and she doesn't deserve the abuse that's been flung her way.
A little live and let live peeps, please. It is sad to witness the sheer nastiness getting thrown Alipally's way - simply because her opinion differs to that of the majority. A bit more fair play wouldn't go amiss...... |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by cazzamia
(Post 6520028)
It is sad to witness the sheer nastiness getting thrown Alipally's way - simply because her opinion differs to that of the majority.
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Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by hevs
(Post 6520796)
Thats not it at all. Her opinion in the main is insulting to anyone with an ounce of rational thought.
Yet, at the same time, I can sympathise with the situation that Rabsody and others may be in. The real issue here is that many of the responses to Allipally's comments are emotionally charged first and foremost, leaving the rational thought to come second and fill in the gaps. Or maybe not make an appearance at all. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by hevs
(Post 6520796)
Thats not it at all. Her opinion in the main is insulting to anyone with an ounce of rational thought.
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Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by I_Will_Freckle
(Post 6522212)
Perhaps that is so. But for those of us with more than an ounce, it is perfectly tolerable. ;)
Smile people FFS. J |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by Jamiem
(Post 6522419)
Smile people FFS. |
Re: Why the difference...
Originally Posted by I_Will_Freckle
(Post 6522450)
:)
J |
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