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I agree with G Adele is probably not depressed, based on what she has written, it appears that she is able to see both sides of the argument and have a positive attitude when she chooses to.
See the link below to read the full definition of depression:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=2947

Hope that helps clarify a few things for you Sth Aussie B&B:confused:

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Hey Badge,

This is a good question, which may provoke a few people!

The way I look at it, there are certain things that are out of our control as mortals (although I am immortal :-)

-How you are thought of by others. What happens to you on a day to day basis. The actions of others towards you (rudeness, theft, rape, mugging, murdering, pillaging, bad cooking, terrible grammer, the weather, the government, -the list goes on, and on, and on).

But we CAN control where we are, what we do, who we accept into our lives, whether we say "yeah, shit happens, -keep smiling"

Without wanting to get too warm and fuzzy, I chose to come here. I chose to accept my surroundings, the people, their customs, the multicultural nature of this country, the varied climate, and all other aspects of my life in this new and exciting place.

Yes, there are positives and negative, as there are in every other place in the world. But I'm a damn sight happier here than I've been anywhere else in the world, and I'm proud to call myself an Australian.

I think a lot of the haggling occurs when people start comparing here to there, -which is just plain silly.

Not sure if you or anyone else will agree with my thoughts, but then again, I don't care. All in all, I love it here, and have no intention of moving on.

Hope you are as happy as I am.

J

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The world is big, but we have good air;) transport, there are so many choices - what do you want from life?

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what is ECT ?

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For those that are interested beyond blue is an australia website on depression. Some of the symptons listed on this site are different to the above website.

I'm not interested in who is right and who is wrong here. I found my father hanging in the shed when I was 15, he killed himself due to depression, therefore if I can save 1 life by speaking out about depression then I've done a good thing and if I piss a few of you off because I dare to mention that D word then so be it.

www.beyondblue.com

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I'm sorry that you lost your father in such tragic circumstances.

No one is upset about you mentioning depression on this forum. It is discussed on here from time to time.

I believe what got folk's back up - mine certainly - is that you offered a diagnosis and suggested a course of treatment! That goes way beyond suggesting to someone that they may be depressed. In my opinion, that is a very irresponsible thing to do, especially if you believe that the person in question is feeling vulnerable.

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Very true, but unfortunately this mantra has not been adopted by certain people in their 'discussions' with Alipally on this thread. Actually, I have been quite shocked at what I have read on here and surprised that the mods haven't intervened as the attacks on her have been VERY personal.

I don't wish to re-hash the whole issue as it seems to have quietened down now - thank goodness. It is just that Grayling's comment prompted me to point this out because I have observed pretty poor treatment of Alipally in previous posts.

Carol

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The mods (who are unpaid volunteers by the way) will intervene if you press the "report" button on any post you feel inappropriate. We are not able to read through every single post so sometimes we need you to be our eyes and ears.

Buzzy

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OK thanks. Didn't know that. Some other forums I go on are moderated in the way I mentioned, ie. there will be an allocated mod looking at posts on a particular day so they would normally pick up on improper behaviour and act accordingly.

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Thanks for making the observation Carol, I was beginning to feel that I was being overly sensitive! My observations and thoughts are just that. It appears that it was taken personally.
Don't worry about it. I think that leaving the posts there, enable readers to draw their own conclusions from the 'discussion', I'd much rather everyone saw everything in it's original form and draw their own conclusions, whatever they may be.

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Oh for god's sake, leave it alone will you! I have been intentionally ignoring your posts but you seem insistent on continuing the exchange.

FWIW I have never gone off at anyone like that on here before and I've been posting regularly on here for over a year now. It seems I am not the only one who thinks it was justified judging by the amount of karma I received for the post.

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So why bring it up again? Sensible.

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I haven't been following this thread but after the above I now feel compelled to read all 132 posts.

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I wouldn't, you're not missing much :p

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Electro Convulsive Therapy

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Must admit I skimmed it. Saw your bit though.

Oooh missus! :D

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Please desist from any personal insults or the thread will be closed.

Mod.

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Nail. Head. On.

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Yea - and your original response was so calm and measured.

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You are absolutely and unequivocally right, I can choose, and by taking action on that decision, I also accept the consequences that accompany that, positive AND negative. Pleasurable and painful. Whatever humans choose is usually the path of least pain and most pleasure.

So, is there a recipe for happiness that will work for all of us?

For Epicurus, one of life's greatest pleasures was to be found in friendship. He felt that good friends were relatively easy to obtain, and bought an almost endless stream of pleasure. A grand mansion filled with luxuries but empty of company would bring much less pleasure than a small basic flat which was shared with true friends, according to this belief.

Because of this, he advocated that the first thing anyone who aims to be happy should do is strive to find friends. Join a club, start a course, or play a sport in order to form connections with your fellow humans. A sure way to happiness is to spend more time socializing.

I hope that all of the karma that Rabsody received results in some true friends... if Epicurus is to be believed.

My own thoughts though lean towards Aristotle's....We are what we choose.

Although.....

A question that a philosophy lecturer asked me, after I made this statement!

6 birds are sitting on a telephone wire. 4 of them decide to fly away. How many birds are left on the wire???

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No worries - you are right that it should all be left there for others to make their own judgements. Nevertheless, I felt I had to speak out because I was disgusted at what I saw happening and don't like to see this kind of bullyish behaviour going on, simply because someone gives their opinion on something. Sadly, it also seems that you are also not even allowed to respond when someone else sticks up for you but on the other hand I am glad to see that a moderator is now monitoring this situation.

For what its worth - I too think that life is too short to be miserable in one place and if the only thing stopping me move back to the UK was finances, I wouldn't think twice about it.

All the best.

Carol
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6 - 4 = 2

am I wrong?

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Probably. It can't be the obvious answer now can it? ;)

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That's what I said, and, apparently I was wrong too!:o

You see the birds only DECIDED to fly away.... they didn't DO it!! ;);)

Philosophy.... never as simple as it first appears! :blink:

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A teacher asks her class, ''If there are 5 birds sitting on a fence and you shoot one of them, how many will be left?'' She calls on little Johnny.

''None, they all fly away with the first gunshot.''

The teacher replies, ''The correct answer is 4, but I like your thinking.'' Then Little Johnny says, ''I have a question for YOU. There are three women sitting on a bench having ice cream. One is delicately licking the sides of the triple scoop of ice cream. The second is gobbling down the top and sucking the cone. The third is biting off the top of the ice cream. Which one is married?''

The teacher, blushing a great deal, replies, ''Well I suppose the one that's gobbled down the top and sucked the cone.''

''The correct answer is the one with the wedding ring on...but I like your thinking.''

:lol:

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:rofl:
V V funny!

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What wire?

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The spoon.

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Finally the answer we've all been looking for!
:D

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Doh!! ;)

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Strictly speaking that question has absolutely bugger all to do with philosophy. It's more a test of semantics and grammar and (possibly) lateral thinking - but philosophy ... ermm, no.

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Agreed. Philosophy it aint.

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Its; is the glass half-full or half-empty?. it also has to do with how rational and logical a person is-logical people realise that both countries are, relative to other places damn good. The people that don't like Oz din'nt like the UK back when they immigrated either-they lack overall perspective, objectivity.
I live in Sydney and have travelled extensively. the other day i was at a party and some people I know were bagging the suburb of Mosman profusely, now to me Mosman might qualify as the worlds most perfect suburb, but they were Aussies who have never travelled and fail to see just how good they have it-its the same with Brits.
Its not 'horses for courses' Australia logically is a fantasitc place-yet logic doesnt matter for some.

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I've just seen on another forum that the extreme weather warning was issued for last night's force 10 gale because the trees are not seasoned (like the UK ones) to cope with high winds. :blink:

Of course, in the UK, we don't issue weather warnings, we laugh in the face of force 10 :lol:

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everyone sees things differently.
The main difference for me between the UK and Australia is one I have trouble even expressing and have had to think about how to put into words that is: I find Australia allows you to 'take control of your life' more-and to me that is EVERYTHING.
Does anyone relate to this, i would be curious as this never gets mentioned here.
What I mean is that Australians are often percieved (here) as unwelcoming and aloof to strangers-yet this is a slight misconception-Australian's leave people alone to live their lives and expect the same from others.
In the UK, I found, you can do everything right, but there is this x-factor, more bitter, jealous people that complicate things for you-and place you in situaltions that you sometimes can't control.
More people willing to make your life-their business.
Any thoughts. is this my imagination?

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Strictly speaking no, it's not a philosophical question, but it bears thinking about, in as much as deciding/choosing means nothing without action... That was the point being made to me.

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I saw that and peed myself, loved the bit about "it's only 60mph and we get that all the time in the UK":rofl:


I was on Mornington Esplanade at 10.00pm last night trying to stop a garage roof from blowing off and it wasn't that funny to me:blink:

John

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Good onya John. :thumbsup:

On nights like last night I'm always glad the SES is there just so us CFA peeps can stay warm and snug (assuming no one starts a fire).

:D

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[QUOTE=MartinLuther;6504837]Good onya John. :thumbsup:

On nights like last night I'm always glad the SES is there just so us CFA peeps can stay warm and snug (assuming no one starts a fire).




Pretty quiet last night and today to be honest. Only about 10 callouts in total.

Not like that last big one, 200 plus in 4 days:eek:

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hmmmm.......with a bit of empathy I can sort of see where you are coming from. You know what, I find alot of this endless controversy over details VERY subtle. It is more subtle than people realise.

I also have a theory that you therefore can't have it both ways. eg. Some people report that Australians are quite reserved and quiet (I would also say this about some) but that also stops them from being ''bitter or jealous'' or trouble. People claim to miss UK humour (I think Australia takes the best bits and the two are not completely divorced) but they also seem to miss scarcastic or quite cruel versions of it. (which I think Australians leave out - other than banter).

I said the other day that not all Australians are Steve Irwins. It's not true that all Australians are forthright and infact I would say no more than Brits. Some people really have a grudge against Australians, generalisation - I think they are a lot more astute than these people give them credit for and also accounts for their world reputation. As a nation, I find they are like ducks - calm and laid back on the surface which you see but peddling like mad underneath - and that is not a comment on work hours(!)

Strangely enough, another expat in Central Europe had that comment on the UK. In his case I suspect it is more of having mild contempt for another life which a new one helps put in perspective.