Warning for bricklayers
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Originally Posted by sassenach
the reality here in perth on wages is around the 300 mark a day ,if your working on a price with a mate on small houses and have a labourer expect to be earning 400 -450 a day ,thats on laying aboout 500 a day average ,obviously some days you will do more but when there is a lot of effin about it knocks yor average .If anyone is a brickie and is coming to perth ,just PM me and i will give you my mobile number because as it stands now i can get work for as many that want it . By the way the eastern states is absolute shite for bricklayers as they tend to build timber frame rubbish , where as we build brick in and out .Perth is a paradise for brickies .DONT GO EAST IF YOUR A BRICKIE YOU WILL GO BROKE ,sorry to shout
nice one sassenach at last some straight talking with no cow poo.save some bricks for me,i cannot wait to get my hands on some.
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I've just learnt something. Is it true that in WA they build with brick - double cavity - and not brick veneer?
Why? So the houses are not all crap after all?
Why? So the houses are not all crap after all?
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Originally Posted by aston man
nice one sassenach at last some straight talking with no cow poo.save some bricks for me,i cannot wait to get my hands on some.
marcus
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Originally Posted by sassenach
by the way im a brummie too .But sure no problems ,we are doing commercial work now ,so the continuity of work is good . I am doing one in menora at the moment [500000]bricks ,and there is another starting the 27 sept in kingsley and that one has 1.2 million ,so there is heaps to lay .Most of the team is british so you will fit in well .Just remeber 86mm guage witha bed and mark it on you level and tape and your laughing .
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Its amazing how often you are told that it is great work somewhere else and when you get there its not that good.
In England people appear to think that England is the worst place in the world.
So they move to another country and find out the truth that England is in fact one of the best places in the world. I loved my holidays in France and thought the life style was so much better than England so when I had the opportunity to work there for 2 years, it was like living in a communist country. The state is involved in everything, i found Germany the same.
Is it the same in Aus. ?
In England people appear to think that England is the worst place in the world.
So they move to another country and find out the truth that England is in fact one of the best places in the world. I loved my holidays in France and thought the life style was so much better than England so when I had the opportunity to work there for 2 years, it was like living in a communist country. The state is involved in everything, i found Germany the same.
Is it the same in Aus. ?
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Originally Posted by johnny nofrfolk
Its amazing how often you are told that it is great work somewhere else and when you get there its not that good.
In England people appear to think that England is the worst place in the world.
So they move to another country and find out the truth that England is in fact one of the best places in the world. I loved my holidays in France and thought the life style was so much better than England so when I had the opportunity to work there for 2 years, it was like living in a communist country. The state is involved in everything, i found Germany the same.
Is it the same in Aus. ?
In England people appear to think that England is the worst place in the world.
So they move to another country and find out the truth that England is in fact one of the best places in the world. I loved my holidays in France and thought the life style was so much better than England so when I had the opportunity to work there for 2 years, it was like living in a communist country. The state is involved in everything, i found Germany the same.
Is it the same in Aus. ?
Where are you in Norfolk? Pm me.
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Is it really that good in Perth at the moment? I'm north of Brisbane and scraping in just over a bag of sand a week. Ain't no mug on the trowel either. Started with a new bloke last week, he said "Are you up to Australian standards?" To which I started pissing meself, which sort of got us off on the wrong foot!!!! I lasted till 10.30am and then walked off, after so long of working for meself going back to working for people and being talked too like youv'e just picked up a trowel ain't easy!!
What happens if theres a slump in Perth? I've heard theres not that much else around Perth, so if it goes quiet then everyone suffers? I'm currently going through the extremely drawn out process of applying for my licence so I can work for myself. Anyone else done it and how long does it take?
Cheers
What happens if theres a slump in Perth? I've heard theres not that much else around Perth, so if it goes quiet then everyone suffers? I'm currently going through the extremely drawn out process of applying for my licence so I can work for myself. Anyone else done it and how long does it take?
Cheers
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Originally Posted by OZSpur
Is it really that good in Perth at the moment? I'm north of Brisbane and scraping in just over a bag of sand a week. Ain't no mug on the trowel either. Started with a new bloke last week, he said "Are you up to Australian standards?" To which I started pissing meself, which sort of got us off on the wrong foot!!!! I lasted till 10.30am and then walked off, after so long of working for meself going back to working for people and being talked too like youv'e just picked up a trowel ain't easy!!
What happens if theres a slump in Perth? I've heard theres not that much else around Perth, so if it goes quiet then everyone suffers? I'm currently going through the extremely drawn out process of applying for my licence so I can work for myself. Anyone else done it and how long does it take?
Cheers
What happens if theres a slump in Perth? I've heard theres not that much else around Perth, so if it goes quiet then everyone suffers? I'm currently going through the extremely drawn out process of applying for my licence so I can work for myself. Anyone else done it and how long does it take?
Cheers
I smile and tell them I wasn't when I got here but I'm slowly dragging myself down to them.
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Originally Posted by cresta57
I used to get asked that quite a lot "are you up to Australian standards?"
I smile and tell them I wasn't when I got here but I'm slowly dragging myself down to them.
I smile and tell them I wasn't when I got here but I'm slowly dragging myself down to them.

I've found the aussie tradies are usually quite good at just one aspect of their profession but don't seem to have the allround ability of us foreigners.
For example: none of the guys on that last course I did knew what colours electrical flex conductors are (because they don't change plugs), can't begin to imagine what state they'd end up in if they had to do a central heating installation in the uk, with being expected to plaster, wire and plumb out and do the gasfitting etc.
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Originally Posted by OZSpur
Is it really that good in Perth at the moment? I'm north of Brisbane and scraping in just over a bag of sand a week. Ain't no mug on the trowel either. Started with a new bloke last week, he said "Are you up to Australian standards?" To which I started pissing meself, which sort of got us off on the wrong foot!!!! I lasted till 10.30am and then walked off, after so long of working for meself going back to working for people and being talked too like youv'e just picked up a trowel ain't easy!!
What happens if theres a slump in Perth? I've heard theres not that much else around Perth, so if it goes quiet then everyone suffers? I'm currently going through the extremely drawn out process of applying for my licence so I can work for myself. Anyone else done it and how long does it take?
Cheers
What happens if theres a slump in Perth? I've heard theres not that much else around Perth, so if it goes quiet then everyone suffers? I'm currently going through the extremely drawn out process of applying for my licence so I can work for myself. Anyone else done it and how long does it take?
Cheers
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Originally Posted by cresta57
I used to get asked that quite a lot "are you up to Australian standards?"
I smile and tell them I wasn't when I got here but I'm slowly dragging myself down to them.
I smile and tell them I wasn't when I got here but I'm slowly dragging myself down to them.

I am a brit myself but if a had a straight out choice between a team of aussies and a team of brits ,i would have a team of ausssies as they dont seem to drama queen it so much .
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Yea, and they (Brits) don't last very long in the outback either.
I've seen it! There is often a pool to see how long they last.
Aussies always are going to take the piss. They don't take as many breaks, etc.
Different country, different rules.
I've seen it! There is often a pool to see how long they last.
Aussies always are going to take the piss. They don't take as many breaks, etc.
Different country, different rules.
Originally Posted by sassenach
After being here for 15 years i have found the west aussie bricklayer in general to be better than the average brit that comes here .They tend to be quicker ,neater ,and better at the their trade knowledge .
I am a brit myself but if a had a straight out choice between a team of aussies and a team of brits ,i would have a team of ausssies as they dont seem to drama queen it so much .
I am a brit myself but if a had a straight out choice between a team of aussies and a team of brits ,i would have a team of ausssies as they dont seem to drama queen it so much .
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Originally Posted by sassenach
After being here for 15 years i have found the west aussie bricklayer in general to be better than the average brit that comes here .They tend to be quicker ,neater ,and better at the their trade knowledge .
I am a brit myself but if a had a straight out choice between a team of aussies and a team of brits ,i would have a team of ausssies as they dont seem to drama queen it so much .
I am a brit myself but if a had a straight out choice between a team of aussies and a team of brits ,i would have a team of ausssies as they dont seem to drama queen it so much .
One thing that I've found so amusing is the amount of blokes it takes to put a tiled roof on here. In the U.K I would send 2 roofers and a labourer they would do the complete job in a couple of days, here a bloke comes out to do the sarking and the lats he goes away and another bloke comes out with a labourer to fix the valley's then another bloke and a labourer arrive to tile the roof, they only do the straight bits as another bloke comes on his own to do the cuts up the valley's lastly yet another bloke comes out and beds all of the ridge and hip tiles. Each one won't do anything that should have been done by the previous bloke or would be done by the next.
No doubt each one is highly skilled at his own little piece but if the surf's good and the sarking bloke goes surfing the rest of his mates have to stay home or go surfing with him.
The plasterboard guys are the same, one gang does the hanging another does the setting and a third do the cornicing. That's probably why houses take so long to build as trades tend to specialise so much more here if one cog breaks the rest stop working until a replacement is found. I don't see much of a difference in actual standards, brickies here are just as messy as the U.K only here they seem to acid wash the walls at the end of a job to make it look neater, that didn't happen a lot in the U.K usually only if a wall was caught in a downpour I'd have to send a bloke out to wash it.
One thing that is unilateral is the tradies love of winding each other up, workplace banter is just the same here as the U.K. & practical jokes abound.
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Originally Posted by cresta's conscience
I worked for the same company as Sean in the U.K I was the plumbing department secretary later job coordinator. I've found that there's a huge difference here in what individual trades are skilled at. In the U.K I could send a plumber out to a job to change a boiler and he could do the complete change. Here the plumber needs every trade to help him fit a simple hot water system. A chippie a sparkie and a plasterer all need to help doing their own individual little bit.
One thing that I've found so amusing is the amount of blokes it takes to put a tiled roof on here. In the U.K I would send 2 roofers and a labourer they would do the complete job in a couple of days, here a bloke comes out to do the sarking and the lats he goes away and another bloke comes out with a labourer to fix the valley's then another bloke and a labourer arrive to tile the roof, they only do the straight bits as another bloke comes on his own to do the cuts up the valley's lastly yet another bloke comes out and beds all of the ridge and hip tiles. Each one won't do anything that should have been done by the previous bloke or would be done by the next.
No doubt each one is highly skilled at his own little piece but if the surf's good and the sarking bloke goes surfing the rest of his mates have to stay home or go surfing with him.
The plasterboard guys are the same, one gang does the hanging another does the setting and a third do the cornicing. That's probably why houses take so long to build as trades tend to specialise so much more here if one cog breaks the rest stop working until a replacement is found. I don't see much of a difference in actual standards, brickies here are just as messy as the U.K only here they seem to acid wash the walls at the end of a job to make it look neater, that didn't happen a lot in the U.K usually only if a wall was caught in a downpour I'd have to send a bloke out to wash it.
One thing that is unilateral is the tradies love of winding each other up, workplace banter is just the same here as the U.K. & practical jokes abound.
One thing that I've found so amusing is the amount of blokes it takes to put a tiled roof on here. In the U.K I would send 2 roofers and a labourer they would do the complete job in a couple of days, here a bloke comes out to do the sarking and the lats he goes away and another bloke comes out with a labourer to fix the valley's then another bloke and a labourer arrive to tile the roof, they only do the straight bits as another bloke comes on his own to do the cuts up the valley's lastly yet another bloke comes out and beds all of the ridge and hip tiles. Each one won't do anything that should have been done by the previous bloke or would be done by the next.
No doubt each one is highly skilled at his own little piece but if the surf's good and the sarking bloke goes surfing the rest of his mates have to stay home or go surfing with him.
The plasterboard guys are the same, one gang does the hanging another does the setting and a third do the cornicing. That's probably why houses take so long to build as trades tend to specialise so much more here if one cog breaks the rest stop working until a replacement is found. I don't see much of a difference in actual standards, brickies here are just as messy as the U.K only here they seem to acid wash the walls at the end of a job to make it look neater, that didn't happen a lot in the U.K usually only if a wall was caught in a downpour I'd have to send a bloke out to wash it.
One thing that is unilateral is the tradies love of winding each other up, workplace banter is just the same here as the U.K. & practical jokes abound.
In regards to the mess ,it is especially bad at the moment because there is so much work around ,some of the guys working on my site ,WILL NOT be working when things tighten up ,there is slapdash work going on at the moment and at times its hard to keep on top of it ,but at the moment us subbies are just putting up with the shite ,but once it tighten they are all for the dole queue.
When i came ove in 1991 the standard of brickwork here was very good and the teams i was working with where very quick and tidy .I personally want it to quieten down a bit so i can get decent tradies .
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
To all you brickies out there, listen to this bloke!
I have a friend who moved from Perth to Melbourne because his wife though Perth wasn't 'happening' enough. Although he is not a brickie, he is in construction. In Perth he had work & money coming out of his wazoo. He had a short, easy commute. Lived well. All good. Now in Melbourne, he earns less but his living costs have risen, his commute is a nightmare, the weather is sh1te & he struggles to get work. He hates it but at least his wife gets to go to trendy cafes & cutting edge boutiques.
West is best.
I have a friend who moved from Perth to Melbourne because his wife though Perth wasn't 'happening' enough. Although he is not a brickie, he is in construction. In Perth he had work & money coming out of his wazoo. He had a short, easy commute. Lived well. All good. Now in Melbourne, he earns less but his living costs have risen, his commute is a nightmare, the weather is sh1te & he struggles to get work. He hates it but at least his wife gets to go to trendy cafes & cutting edge boutiques.
West is best.





