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tabascojazz Jan 30th 2013 11:17 pm

Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 
I have 3 children and my company wants me to move to Melbourne to set up and operation there 2014. Which area has the best schools and the nicest housing to rent for a couple of years. Budget unlimited, family safety priority, preferably state schools. Cheers.

eddie007 Jan 30th 2013 11:23 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 
:popcorn:

Almo Jan 30th 2013 11:57 pm

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Really and truly unlimited?

spouse of scouse Jan 31st 2013 12:04 am

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10516825)
I have 3 children and my company wants me to move to Melbourne to set up and operation there 2014. Which area has the best schools and the nicest housing to rent for a couple of years. Budget unlimited, family safety priority, preferably state schools. Cheers.

I hope I haven't got shares in your company :lol:

spouse of scouse Jan 31st 2013 12:07 am

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 10516885)
I hope I haven't got shares in your company :lol:

I'll try to be serious....

If your company has sufficient resources to allow you an unlimited housing budget, best thing to do is ask them to pay for you and the family to come over for a month and do a reccie.

spouse of scouse Jan 31st 2013 12:13 am

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 10516891)
I'll try to be serious....

If your company has sufficient resources to allow you an unlimited housing budget, best thing to do is ask them to pay for you and the family to come over for a month and do a reccie.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pic...9726440?page=1

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 12:34 am

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Doing a reccie next year and as its my own company I wanted to know which areas I should look for so I can budget. I only need 4 bedrooms but would like to be in a nice location so I can try and persuade my wife to stay. Doesnt need to be a fancy house just the posher end of the market. Cheers.

spouse of scouse Jan 31st 2013 12:41 am

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10516940)
Doing a reccie next year and as its my own company I wanted to know which areas I should look for so I can budget. I only need 4 bedrooms but would like to be in a nice location so I can try and persuade my wife to stay. Doesnt need to be a fancy house just the posher end of the market. Cheers.

Sorry mate, you've lost me. You said your company wanted you to move, but it's really your own company. You have an unlimited budget but you need to budget. It has to be in posh place but you prefer state schools.

I'll leave it to cleverer posters than me.

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 12:52 am

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Yeah, sorry new to this forum concept and not good at explaining myself.

I want to expand our UK operation to OZ. For the year we plan to be there initially I would like to find a house in an area which is nice. By needing to budget I mean forecast how much I need to put aside for accommodation whatever that may be. If there are no top state schools comparable to independent schools then I will obviously choose the latter but in the UK you have to be in a catchment area for a state school so I would like to rent near that school if it exists. One friend said St.Kilda another said Fitzroy and availability of houses in either are not great so I would like some other opinions if possible.

Have I explained myself any better and could you help? Thanks

eddie007 Jan 31st 2013 1:36 am

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Toorak and There was another....

Don't know about the schools, but when my mate who lived in peppermint grove took a posting to Melbourne there were (I believe, but don't quote me on it) only two burbs she would consider.. Based on some fairly in-depth research she commissioned....

If you are seriously interested Perhaps you should commission some research... Write it off as a tax deductible or expense of some kind

spouse of scouse Jan 31st 2013 2:37 am

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10516977)
Yeah, sorry new to this forum concept and not good at explaining myself.

I want to expand our UK operation to OZ. For the year we plan to be there initially I would like to find a house in an area which is nice. By needing to budget I mean forecast how much I need to put aside for accommodation whatever that may be. If there are no top state schools comparable to independent schools then I will obviously choose the latter but in the UK you have to be in a catchment area for a state school so I would like to rent near that school if it exists. One friend said St.Kilda another said Fitzroy and availability of houses in either are not great so I would like some other opinions if possible.

Have I explained myself any better and could you help? Thanks

Sorry about that tabascojazz, I jumped the gun a bit because I thought your first couple of posts were a wind up, mainly because you posted on the Barbie board. It does take a while to find your feet here but now that you have and your questions are on the right board, you'll get heaps of useful information.

Not from me I'm afraid, because I'm in Perth. But Melbourne is my favourite place in the whole country and I'm sure you'll be really happy there. If your wife likes terrific shopping, a fantastic array of restaurants, intimate bars etc, and (in my opinion) the only city in Australia that has got the mix of old and new bang on, then she'll love Melbourne too. Good luck! :)

ozzieeagle Jan 31st 2013 8:28 am

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Camberwell.... But it truly is expensive.


http://www.realestate.com.au/propert...well-408890259
http://www.realestate.com.au/propert...well-409551047

Kiwikaye Jan 31st 2013 8:37 am

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Depends on whether you're talking high schools or primary. One of the best high schools in Melbourne is Balwyn High, which has some pretty nice houses around it. Primary's I would recommend McKinnon, but you have to be in the area to get in - that applies to most schools though. Check our www.myschool.edu.au and bettereducation.com.au for school info. Check out www.domain.com.au and www.realestate.com.au for rentals. If you're wanting the better suburbs look at Camberwell (as already suggested), Toorak, Brighton (by the beach), Kew, Balwyn, Surrey Hills and areas near there. Be aware though that many of the residents of these areas send their kids to the private, not state, schools.

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 8:46 am

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Really good info so far, never expected this depth of advice. Children are all primary school age/below, so should I still go private.

Also, what was the barbie section anyway? I assumed BBQ.

Happy with areas so far just need this schooling issue sorting.

Thanks

ozzieeagle Jan 31st 2013 8:46 am

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University high is the best state high school in Victoria....Well and truly competes with most private schools....thats in Parkville.

Grayling Jan 31st 2013 8:59 am

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What visa are you planning to come over on?

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 9:10 am

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Skilled occupation list: Pharmacist and wife:Nurse, why?

Grayling Jan 31st 2013 9:23 am

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Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10517891)
Skilled occupation list: Pharmacist and wife:Nurse, why?

Maybe that should be your priority then....before where to live etc.

Different visas have different rules re school fees etc.

Grayling Jan 31st 2013 9:27 am

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There are also requirements that have to be met before you can open a business....If you are using that as a basis for migration

bcworld Jan 31st 2013 10:11 am

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Toorak, Malvern, Armadale, Brighton, Elwood, Camberwell, Balwyn, Mont Albert.

pomikev Jan 31st 2013 10:25 am

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What does your company do ? - just curious - but if you have an unlimited budget why bother asking, just fly in on a private jet, stay at a 5 star hotel having people peel grapes for you and dropping them in your open mouths as you get you feet massaged and direct some peon to go buy you the most expensive house on the market and go throw abunch of cash at the most expensive private schools, offer to build them a new library if your kids can start at a date of YOUR convenience - who cares what anyone else wants or what their agenda is / you have unlimited funds so just waft in on your golden fleece and let the servants sort it all out.

well that's what old money would do - i guess because you had to ask you have new money and no class and your claim of unlimited budget was a bit overconfident - get over yourself mate.

Margaret3 Jan 31st 2013 10:26 am

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Originally Posted by pomikev (Post 10518049)
What does your company do ? - just curious - but if you have an unlimited budget why bother asking, just fly in on a private jet, stay at a 5 star hotel having people peel grapes for you and dropping them in your open mouths as you get you feet massaged and direct some peon to go buy you the most expensive house on the market and go throw abunch of cash at the most expensive private schools, offer to build them a new library if your kids can start at a date of YOUR convenience - who cares what anyone else wants or what their agenda is / you have unlimited funds so just waft in on your golden fleece and let the servants sort it all out.

well that's what old money would do - i guess because you had to ask you have new money and no class and your claim of unlimited budget was a bit overconfident - get over yourself mate.





:lol: yep surely a troll:sneaky:

pomikev Jan 31st 2013 10:53 am

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Originally Posted by Margaret3 (Post 10518053)




:lol: yep surely a troll:sneaky:

No wonder you are having an identity crisis lmao

Margaret3 Jan 31st 2013 10:54 am

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Originally Posted by pomikev (Post 10518108)
No wonder you are having an identity crisis lmao

I do that sometimes be accident:D

Mummy3 Jan 31st 2013 12:37 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 
University High requires PR, I checked it out when we came. I would say Balwyn if money no object. But there are lovely suburbs further out with great private schools, look at the school stats, bettereducation.com.au that will give you the best suburbs based on school results.

itigo Jan 31st 2013 1:54 pm

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Be aware also, that private schools here can be a lot less than their equivalents in the UK. If you are Catholic, then it's even better.

Mummy3 Jan 31st 2013 2:33 pm

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Yes, our local catholic school is $5000 a year... Christian schools around $10k, then goes up from there

Tr1boy Jan 31st 2013 7:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Mummy3 (Post 10518450)
Yes, our local catholic school is $5000 a year... Christian schools around $10k, then goes up from there

Are Catholics not Christian then?:blink:


It's a genuine question btw. I know nothing about religion, except that if we go to Mrs TB's Korean church in Gladesville, I get a free lunch:lol:

haggis supper Jan 31st 2013 8:33 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10516825)
I have 3 children and my company wants me to move to Melbourne to set up and operation there 2014. Which area has the best schools and the nicest housing to rent for a couple of years. Budget unlimited, family safety priority, preferably state schools. Cheers.

Firstly, welcome to the Forum. As you've no doubt found out, it can be a pretty ruthless place !

With the greatest of respect though, your first post was set up for a flaming. Take some time to read a few posts and threads and you'll quickly realise that many many folks here don't live in luxury and find the move and life here hard - especially in recent years with the exchange rate, UK house prices and general cost of living over here. Talking about "the best" and "unlimited budget" will simply piss people off, regardless of how innocent it was.

Now, assuming you're not a troll and do need advice. Do some research, narrow down areas to live in and explain what you need. Do you want to be by the beach or rural. How far a commute do you want ? If budget is unlimited then do you want a 6 bedroom house with a pool in the most exclusive suburb ? Do you want BMW's and Mercedes or happy with a Toyota and a Ford ? Private or public schools ? If private then Catholic starts around $5,000 a year. Christian around $10,000 and decent private around $20,000. Top class private is considerably more.

Eastern and south eastern suburbs are generally considered the better options and chosen by most brit expats. North and West will be a lot cheaper but for a reason - longer commute and area not as nice (IMHO).

Mornington Peninsula is fabulous and a lot cheaper but few folks (compared to UK/London commuting) travel in from their even though you can reach the CBD in less than 90 minutes.

I live in Beaumaris which I can highly recommend and know the Bayside suburbs well - all very leafy, suburban and safe. Brighton (very pricey), Hampton, Sandringham, Black Rock and Beaumaris are all excellent and all have very good schools - public and private. All are on the more expensive side due to beach side location.

If you want any more info just PM me or post with more details of what you really want, and be specific.

Col

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 9:00 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 
Thanks Col, not come across the concept of a troll before. SamSi gave me some good advice: 2 top suburbs in Melb are Brighton and Toorak. Expect to pay $1500pw + for a truly decent place. Start your search there and broaden out to then include Sandringham/Hampton/Black Rock and Beaumauris (these are Bayside) and South Yarra / Armadale/Malvern/Glenris/Kooyong/Hawthorn/Camberwell for the inner East.

This seems adequate info for now and after my first grilling by someone I did actually refine my initial post to be more specific, if you take a look a bit further down page 1. If you have anything else I can learn from it would be appreciated but my main question now is whether I need private education for primary school aged children or are the standards good at this level anyway.

Thanks

OzSheila Jan 31st 2013 9:52 pm

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Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10518732)
my main question now is whether I need private education for primary school aged children or are the standards good at this level anyway.

Thanks

Pick a decent suburb to live and you won't need private education at primary education. All they need to know by the time they leave primary school is times tables, how to read, write and spell.

I was paying $2500pa per child for primary, Catholic education in Ivanhoe East and quite frankly it was a waste of money. But the sports (read wine) evenings were good fun:lol:

Melbourne is very much run by an old boys network. Hence private schooling at senior school is much more important. Whether it is worth it is another matter;)

HTH

spouse of scouse Jan 31st 2013 10:23 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10518732)
Thanks Col, not come across the concept of a troll before. SamSi gave me some good advice: 2 top suburbs in Melb are Brighton and Toorak. Expect to pay $1500pw + for a truly decent place. Start your search there and broaden out to then include Sandringham/Hampton/Black Rock and Beaumauris (these are Bayside) and South Yarra / Armadale/Malvern/Glenris/Kooyong/Hawthorn/Camberwell for the inner East.

This seems adequate info for now and after my first grilling by someone I did actually refine my initial post to be more specific, if you take a look a bit further down page 1. If you have anything else I can learn from it would be appreciated but my main question now is whether I need private education for primary school aged children or are the standards good at this level anyway.

Thanks

If you stay around long enough you'll understand that wasn't a grilling, just a light toasting.

You can take or leave this, but it would be a good idea to remember that members here are just ordinary people like you, sharing experiences, ideas and advice. It's not an executive meeting with you as CEO and you're not paying for advice. Every member who uses their time and effort to try to assist you deserves the courtesy of a response. Let a bit of your personality in, have a bit of a smile and a laugh, and take the responses you get with a sense of genuine appreciation - not so much judging what does and doesn't constitute your idea of 'adequate information' - and you'll probably get a good dialogue going.

haggis supper Jan 31st 2013 10:52 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10518732)
Thanks Col, not come across the concept of a troll before. SamSi gave me some good advice: 2 top suburbs in Melb are Brighton and Toorak. Expect to pay $1500pw + for a truly decent place. Start your search there and broaden out to then include Sandringham/Hampton/Black Rock and Beaumauris (these are Bayside) and South Yarra / Armadale/Malvern/Glenris/Kooyong/Hawthorn/Camberwell for the inner East.

This seems adequate info for now and after my first grilling by someone I did actually refine my initial post to be more specific, if you take a look a bit further down page 1. If you have anything else I can learn from it would be appreciated but my main question now is whether I need private education for primary school aged children or are the standards good at this level anyway.

Thanks

It depends on what you expect and what standard of schools you are used to. All primary schools in Bayside will be relatively similar, better (so I'm led to believe) than many others. Some people believe the schools are better than the UK, some believe worse.

Our children benefited from the development of their social skills but by year 4 we found that they were a little bored and not being challenged enough. We were also dismayed at the lack of homework, the quality of homework provided and the lack of reviews of the homework. In the end we paid extra for a tutor and both kids went private in year 5.

My daughter is now in year 7 and she loves it and she's thriving.

Plenty of people choose to let the kids stay at primary until year 7 and then move them private. If money is less of an issue for you then I would suggest private from an earlier age - especially if you ever intend returning home.

Hope that was adequate ;)

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 11:17 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by OzSheila (Post 10518777)
Pick a decent suburb to live and you won't need private education at primary education. All they need to know by the time they leave primary school is times tables, how to read, write and spell.

I was paying $2500pa per child for primary, Catholic education in Ivanhoe East and quite frankly it was a waste of money. But the sports (read wine) evenings were good fun:lol:

Melbourne is very much run by an old boys network. Hence private schooling at senior school is much more important. Whether it is worth it is another matter;)

HTH

this is interesting, thanks

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 11:18 pm

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 10518809)
If you stay around long enough you'll understand that wasn't a grilling, just a light toasting.

You can take or leave this, but it would be a good idea to remember that members here are just ordinary people like you, sharing experiences, ideas and advice. It's not an executive meeting with you as CEO and you're not paying for advice. Every member who uses their time and effort to try to assist you deserves the courtesy of a response. Let a bit of your personality in, have a bit of a smile and a laugh, and take the responses you get with a sense of genuine appreciation - not so much judging what does and doesn't constitute your idea of 'adequate information' - and you'll probably get a good dialogue going.

fair enough apologies. so many replies and opinions I didnt realise each person needed a response. Thanks

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 11:19 pm

Re: Unlimited budget Melbourne move
 

Originally Posted by haggis supper (Post 10518849)
It depends on what you expect and what standard of schools you are used to. All primary schools in Bayside will be relatively similar, better (so I'm led to believe) than many others. Some people believe the schools are better than the UK, some believe worse.

Our children benefited from the development of their social skills but by year 4 we found that they were a little bored and not being challenged enough. We were also dismayed at the lack of homework, the quality of homework provided and the lack of reviews of the homework. In the end we paid extra for a tutor and both kids went private in year 5.

My daughter is now in year 7 and she loves it and she's thriving.

Plenty of people choose to let the kids stay at primary until year 7 and then move them private. If money is less of an issue for you then I would suggest private from an earlier age - especially if you ever intend returning home.

Hope that was adequate ;)

Yes, thankyou. I have a good understanding of the city now and hopefully we'll be ok.

eddie007 Jan 31st 2013 11:20 pm

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Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10518887)
fair enough apologies. so many replies and opinions I didnt realise each person needed a response. Thanks

Ok... Sorry... I put the popcorn down....


No one has mentioned Deepdene has it fallen out of favour?

tabascojazz Jan 31st 2013 11:23 pm

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Originally Posted by eddie007 (Post 10518893)
Ok... Sorry... I put the popcorn down....


No one has mentioned Deepdene has it fallen out of favour?

popcorn?

eddie007 Jan 31st 2013 11:36 pm

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Originally Posted by tabascojazz (Post 10518896)
popcorn?

My first... Rather unhelpful.... Post on this thread was the :popcorn: smilie...

Commonly used to indicate you're waiting for the "show" to begin....

Initially you sounded like a bit of a .... Well.... Nuffield said....

Turns out you may be genuine...

bcworld Feb 1st 2013 1:06 am

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Originally Posted by eddie007 (Post 10518893)
Ok... Sorry... I put the popcorn down....


No one has mentioned Deepdene has it fallen out of favour?

Deepdene's only been around 5 mins...not sure anyone even realises it exists!


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