Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Australia
Reload this Page >

Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Thread Tools
 
Old Mar 22nd 2009, 11:00 am
  #1  
BE Forum Addict
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Location: Woodvale, WA
Posts: 1,674
Kingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to beholdKingseat is a splendid one to behold
Default Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

We're heading to Perth on Student Visas later this year.

We will be selling our home but we have several rental properties here in Scotland. I am assuming during the 2 years that we are students the rental income should continue to be declared in the UK or do we declare it in Australia? I don't think I need to complete a non-resident landlords form with the Inland Revenue because we will still be resident in the UK - just in OZ on temporary visas.

Can't seem to find an answer and I called a couple of people about this but they've not returned my call.

Thank you.
Kingseat is offline  
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 10:42 am
  #2  
mkp
Just Joined
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9
mkp is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Hi Kingseat
In my opinion, you will be temporary tax residents in Australia, based on your time in Australia (2 years) and visa class. Although temporary, you are still a tax resident. You may very well remain tax resident in the UK, should you spend an average of 91 days pa in the UK over a four year period.
I understand that form NRL1 is required by anyone who leaves the UK for 6 months or more at a time, irrespective of tax residency.
UK sourced rental income is always taxed in the UK. You will only pay Australian tax on such income if you hold a permanent visa (and also get a tax credit for UK tax paid).
Hope that helps. Perth is great.
mkp
mkp is offline  
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 11:20 am
  #3  
ABCDiamond
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Originally Posted by Kingseat
We're heading to Perth on Student Visas later this year.

We will be selling our home but we have several rental properties here in Scotland. I am assuming during the 2 years that we are students the rental income should continue to be declared in the UK or do we declare it in Australia? I don't think I need to complete a non-resident landlords form with the Inland Revenue because we will still be resident in the UK - just in OZ on temporary visas.

Can't seem to find an answer and I called a couple of people about this but they've not returned my call.

Thank you.

Check the Residency test at http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/co...tent/36255.htm

I think you will be classed as Tax resident, in which case :
Overseas Investment Property
Australian Taxable Income includes all your worldwide income, including profits from renting out a property overseas. A tax offset for foreign income tax paid is available.

As from July 2008, any losses incurred from the rental of property outside Australia can now be offset against Australian Taxable Income.
However: When you have dual residency, any relevant double tax agreements may determine your country of residence for tax purposes and which country has taxing rights over certain classes of income to prevent double taxation. In some cases, this may have the effect of limiting Australia’s taxing rights.

Foreign income : http://www.ato.gov.au/content/33664.htm
 
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 1:24 pm
  #4  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 3,162
pumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Yep, as a student you are considered 'resident for tax purposes'. No idea how that works tax wise for you though.
pumpkin blossom is offline  
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 7:23 pm
  #5  
Banned
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 146
Umpatan is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Originally Posted by mkp
Hi Kingseat
In my opinion, you will be temporary tax residents in Australia, based on your time in Australia (2 years) and visa class. Although temporary, you are still a tax resident. You may very well remain tax resident in the UK, should you spend an average of 91 days pa in the UK over a four year period.
I understand that form NRL1 is required by anyone who leaves the UK for 6 months or more at a time, irrespective of tax residency.
UK sourced rental income is always taxed in the UK. You will only pay Australian tax on such income if you hold a permanent visa (and also get a tax credit for UK tax paid).
Hope that helps. Perth is great.
mkp
Why even tell the Aussies about your rental income in the UK? You keep the money in the bank account in the UK, and just do debit card withdraws in Australia. Debit card withdraws gives you a favorable exchange rate than if you take cash and do currency conversion. You are only spending the money in Australia, so it is none of their business. Now, the UK exchange rate is poor at this time, but double taxation would cost you more. (43% for those on visa I heard, even if you are only making 14 dollars per hour!!!!) That should be what someone with a six figure income should be paying, not someone who works for McDonald's!!!

To tax that much to someone on low income regardless of nationality is just criminal. (They are like pirates!)
Umpatan is offline  
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 10:16 pm
  #6  
ABCDiamond
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Originally Posted by Umpatan
Now, the UK exchange rate is poor at this time, but double taxation would cost you more. (43% for those on visa I heard, even if you are only making 14 dollars per hour!!!!) That should be what someone with a six figure income should be paying, not someone who works for McDonald's!!!

To tax that much to someone on low income regardless of nationality is just criminal. (They are like pirates!)
The actual higher tax rates are 40% and 45%, but you need to be earning $80,000 per year for the 40% rate, or $180,000 per year to each the 45% rate.

That would be 247 hours per week at $14 per hour, to reach that tax rate

If you were earning $14 ph and did 38 hours per week, you would end up paying 11.7% of your income in tax.

Work part time and do only 19 hours per week, (earn $266 pw) and you pay zero tax.

It isn't as bad as you seem to think.
 
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 11:31 pm
  #7  
Banned
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 146
Umpatan is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
The actual higher tax rates are 40% and 45%, but you need to be earning $80,000 per year for the 40% rate, or $180,000 per year to each the 45% rate.

That would be 247 hours per week at $14 per hour, to reach that tax rate

If you were earning $14 ph and did 38 hours per week, you would end up paying 11.7% of your income in tax.

Work part time and do only 19 hours per week, (earn $266 pw) and you pay zero tax.

It isn't as bad as you seem to think.
Yeah, that is if you are an Aussie. Not if you are on a working visa.
Umpatan is offline  
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 11:48 pm
  #8  
Forum Regular
 
Lewis2's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 42
Lewis2 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

"Yep, as a student you are considered 'resident for tax purposes'. No idea how that works tax wise for you though"

But can you work on a student visa???
Lewis2 is offline  
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 11:53 pm
  #9  
ABCDiamond
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Originally Posted by Umpatan
Yeah, that is if you are an Aussie. Not if you are on a working visa.
I am not an Aussie, and those rates apply to me.

It also applies to anyone that is classed as Tax resident, and this does not mean with a resident visa only. It also applies to many other visas.

A person that is NON tax resident would pay the following rates:
On the first $34,000 the pay 29%
On the part between $34,001 and $80,000 they pay 30%
On the part between $80,001 – $180,000 they pay 40%
On the rest over $180,00 they pay 45%
Therefore your $14 per hour earner, even if they did 46 hours per week, would still only pay 29% tax. Even 110 hours per week and it would still only be 30% tax.


A NON Tax resident earning $200,000 pa will pay $72,660 in tax (ie: 36.33%)

earn $300,000 pa and they pay $117,660 or 39.22%
earn $869,000 pa and they pay $373,710 or 43.00% which is the rate you say is payable for someone earning $14 per hour.
 
Old Mar 23rd 2009, 11:55 pm
  #10  
ABCDiamond
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Originally Posted by Lewis2
"Yep, as a student you are considered 'resident for tax purposes'. No idea how that works tax wise for you though"

But can you work on a student visa???
Student Visa
From 26 April 2008, people granted a Student Visa will automatically receive permission to work with their visa grant. Most student visa holders will no longer need to apply separately in Australia for permission to work.
 
Old Mar 24th 2009, 1:44 am
  #11  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 3,162
pumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond reputepumpkin blossom has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Student Visas - Rental Income in UK

Originally Posted by Lewis2
"Yep, as a student you are considered 'resident for tax purposes'. No idea how that works tax wise for you though"

But can you work on a student visa???
LOL, yes, with restrictions.
pumpkin blossom is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.