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does anyone know do the speed camera's have to flash for you to get caught,
I didnt realise at the time but I was stupidly was doing about 108 in a 100 when I saw the small little sign on the side of the road that you have have just passed a speed camera,

it certainly didnt flash, I dont know if they have to or not, it was bright with no cloud and this was in Perth, has anyone seen them flash or am I holding on to false hope that I got away with it

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I believe that most car speedometers can be out by about 10%, certainly in the UK, the authorities don't usually prosecute unless you are in excess of 10% above the posted speed limit.
With that in mind you may have been under the speed limit anyway and if they work similar to the UK, they may not prosecute until you are up to 110kph.
Hope this helps

Steve

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yes some of them flash as a friend turned round to see what the flash was you guessed it two speeding tickets, i wont say what sex she was, this was a mobile unit in QLD

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Tolerances vary from state to state and are generally thought to be much lower than the 10% given in the UK. Vic's for example are rumoured to be only 3%.

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thanks for your replys but would really like to find out if those bloody black tripods things flash at you.
I thinks its 9k's over and its points but cant afford a fine right now, saying that it will take them 6 months to send the fine out anyway if you believe the media

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As far as the Qld Police Minister and the Police Commissioner is concerned, the official policy is that there is a zero tolerance regime in Qld.

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I wonder if they apply that same principle within their own organisation?

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You'd be surprised how many time the words "operational requirements" can crop up when they get nabbed by the press. For example, when the new camera on the Story Bridge went online, police vehicles were reported in the press being caught on film but no official action was taken according to the press releases at the time "due to operational requirements".:rolleyes:

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The AS for speedos is that they shouldn't under-read at all (i.e. show a lower speed than you are actually doing) and should only over-read by up to 10%. So if you mention the 10% allowance to a cop do not be surprised if he starts giggling at you.

The allowance in Vic is 3kph (or 2kph with a fixed camera). If you're caught then they knock the allowance off the recorded speed for the ticket. For example if you were doing 65kph in a 60 zone then you will get a ticket for 62kph. Just saying this it confuses some people as to how they can get a 2kph over ticket when the allowance is 3kph.

Sorry can't help with the OP but hopefully your speedo is over-reading and the tolerance is probably higher than Vic. Note that in Vic, you can get your first ticket (in a three year period) reduced to a caution (no fine) if your speed is less than 10kph over the limit. You just need to send them a groveling letter saying it was an accident and that you've learned your lesson.

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My husband had one where he was definitely flashed - on the Mitchell Freeway and another on Reid Highway where he was not flashed that he can remember. It did take about 4 months for the ticket to arrive as well. In WA there is a very low tolerence. His first ticket he was going 106 in a 100 zone.

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So I guess that when your house is being broken into or some
loon is trying to kick 10 shades out of you, you wont want the police
to speed getting to you? ;)

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Of course. But what about the rest of the time? You can't have one rule for one and one rule for another now ... can you? :unsure::sneaky::lol:

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When the place we were in got broken into, the only time the police were actually interested, was after the owner contacted the local station. Being an Inspector at Roma St HQ, did give him some bragging rights to pull rank.
BTW, speeding police cars doesn't necessarily mean they were actually chasing someone or going to a callout.

Years ago a cop told my mother "do what I say, not what I do".

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Of course it doesn't necessarily mean they have good reason.
Point is, how would you, or the press know?

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I Know for a fact they do prosecute police officers speeding in police vehicles here in WA. My brother in law was finded when he was caught on camera, he realised after he should have just pulled over the car in front for a routine check and that would have been his excuse for speeding and had the fine quashed.

John

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They can get the info under FOI, same as the RACQ/NRMA can, as in the Storey Bridge camera. If they, the police, have a good reason to exceed the speed limit, they have a flashing lights and sirens. Even then they have to drive with caution, same as firefighters/fire appliances, ambulances.
Recently some guy sent footage of two motorcycle cops cruising up the Bruce Hwy near Caboolture doing over 130kph, side by side, proved by his speedo, without lights, sirens etc, into ACA and it made the next days show. Unfortunately for him, when the two cops realised that someone was following them with a camera, they pulled him over and booked him.

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But unfortunately for them, their mugs must have been plastered all over national tv after breaking the law themselves! :thumbup:

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In Qld, it gets sweeped under the carpet, and publicly denied, although a few have been made examples of for drink-driving.

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A mate's husband who's a police officer (his dad was too) said the cronyism in the force is absolutely shocking. He's still loyal and refuses to be drawn on specifics though, no matter how hard I try! :lol:

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Amazing how much a full-face helmet hides.;) Nothing was ever publicly acknowledged by Police HQ or the Minister.

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No excuses there, but there again, what idiot is going to follow the police while they are riding above the speed limit (not knowing if there is a legitimate
reason) whilst obviously speeding themselves and filming it all on camera :ohmy:

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Oh right, so how would you know that?

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Someone who wants to expose the duplicitious nature of Qld Police, despite the cost to themselves maybe?

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Like most organisations, they prefer to keep things in-house and look after their mates, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Unfortunately, since the Fitzgerald Inquiry, public scrutiny of the police has increased.

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Ok he was an idiot, but if they had a legitimate excuse, they should have used their lights and sirens. No lights and sirens were activated until they saw they were being followed. I wouldn't be surprised if ACA/Channel 9 paid the fine.

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Or somebody who's had a speeding ticket in the past, has a chip on their shoulder and is too thick to see how dangerous their own actions are, maybe

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Don't know anything about this story, but by the sounds of it the cops
didn't have an excuse.
However, no sirens or lights, doesn't always mean no legitimate reason!!

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A relative of mine, last time I heard, was an Inspector with Qld Internal Affairs, after being promoted from being in charge of the Traffic Camera Unit.

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If there is a legitimate reason then they should be on blues and twos to warn other road users of their elevated speed. Period.

I have two brothers, one a fast response paramedic and one police officer. If they need to go above the limit/though red lights then blues and twos no question. The old 'operational requirements' is a complete cop out!!

Graham

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He's not also related to Bob Atkinson is he?! :D

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Nope! If he was I'd be able to get a job there.:D

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Have a word with your brother. I'm sure he'll be able to tell you of a number
of instances where the police would legitimately drive above the speed limit
without blues and twos.

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do you have sat nav , if so set it up and drive your car at the same speed that you where doing when you went through the camera , you will find that the actual speed of your vehicle on the speedometer is greater than the sat nav , the point i am making is that the gps reading is very accurate and a good guide to go off rather than a vehicle speedometer , your speedometer has many discrepencies, ie tyre tread , under inflated , calibration etc , most vehicle manufacturers tend to make the speedometer read higher than the actual road speed for this reason , otherwise everybody would be getting speeding tickets .
if the camera didnt flash it either didnt have a bulb in or works off infra red , you could research this if you get a photo of the camera and go on the net , if it flashed you would probably of seen it [ even in bright weather ] . lastly if your vehicle is a company vehicle it most probably will have a gps tracking device fitted , if so you could go into the history and find exactly when this happened and also record your exact speed between given points , if you are under the speed limit on the tracker and have been issued with a fine , well take it to court , belive me it wouldnt stand , gps is admissable in court , [ it doesnt lie ] . hope this puts your mind at rest .

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I just had to reply to this point. When our house was being broken into at 3am while my children slept the police didn't want to know. We dialled 000 from my husband's mobile to say someone was breaking into our house and the response was "ok we'll send someone around". Did they ask our address? No. Not even which suburb we live in, never mind our street or house number! Calling from a mobile there would have been no way for them to know unless we told them. The fact is that here in WA the police don't give a s**t about you being robbed while your children sleep.

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Right.......so you get a lazy or incompetent call taker and that means the police don't care that you are being burgled? :confused:

So what happened next? did you ring back or did you deal with the situation yourself?

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A lady I used to work with 18 months ago was broken into in the middle of the night. She is a single parent with one child. Being woken by the intruder's noise and absolutely petrified (as you can imagine) she called the police with him still in the house and tried to get them to come out. They did .... three hours later. :thumbdown:

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Not 100% sure...but Ithink this is an outdated assumption in the UK.
The new digital camera's clock the actual speed of the car and the new digital electronics and better engineering in car manufacture is taken as accurate.
Hence complaint that speedo watching can cause accidents.


In Oz it seems normal for there to be at least three warning signs about camera's, so if you get nicked.......

Heading out of Melbourne a couple of years back, we spotted a copper with an hand held speed camera hiding in a bush!

So in Oz at least - the UK habit of slowing fo rthe camera ..then legging it to make up time....is not a good idea.

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My husband dealt with it himself. However, it was not just a matter of a lazy or incompetent call taker. When we reported that we had been burgled and that my husband's passport had been stolen along with sensitive materials on his work laptop the WA police couldn't have been less interested. We asked for a report to be made so we could get him a new passport and instead of the police coming to our house to take a look around and maybe take some fingerprints they told us that if we want to make a report we would have to go to the Joondalup station. They would not take fingerprints and made a big production of how much of a pain in the ass it was to do a report for us.
That's awful. :frown:

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Sign of a future police state anyone?

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All depends on whether the limits are too slow in the first place buddy.