Somalis in Perth
 

Am I right in thinking there is a sizeable Somali population in Perth ?

I have just read there are a few thousand ?

It's just that I am originally from Cardiff, which has a large Somali population, so I am able to appreciate all that they bring to an area.

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Just out of interest, what exactly do they bring to the area ?

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A different culture and a different outlook.

Diversity.

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But that can be said for any other race or religion that lives in an area and is very general.

What do they bring/offer, in your opinion, that is different to any other ???

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Yes, mainly in Mirrabooka and surrounds, NOR.

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They have the best postures I've ever seen, graceful and straight as a stick, just beautiful.

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Does that include the Women ???

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Australia takes many immigrants and refugees from somalia and indeed Africa in general. Not sure if people in the UK are entirely aware of that tho :D

Last week the gov announced it wants to build aussie tafes in africa, so I assume the intake is significant. There was a bit of uproar from the opposition as they claim 300,000 aussie kids cant get a place in tafe so dont know if it will happen.

Seen lots of Somali or ethopian families in brisbane, one of the tafes was doing a course for volunteers who want to teach english to speakers of other languages, free if people will volunteer their services.

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Long and elegant indeed, some of the children I have seen in brisbane are beautiful. Must admit I thought they will fit into australia well, very athletic, probably very sporty, used to hot climate, on the sporty side I think australia with its huge funding for sport will in 10 years have these kids competing for australia. Good on them, they deserve a chance after what many have been through.

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I didn't mention race or religion. I mentioned a nationality.

Cardiff's old Somali population arrived in the late 1800's/early 1900's and were mostly sailors and their families who came to work on the coal ships. They are well assimilated into the community.

For the newer Somali arrivals, it appears that they will take some time to assimilate, which is probably because of the current, difficult state of the country they left.

I was just curious to know if there are any concentrations of them, and where.

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Yes, mainly.

Most of the men have been tortured or wounded and have lost limbs, so unfortunately don't have the same postures.

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Amen to that :)

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and I was just curious to know what you meant by "I know what they can bring to an area"...............so far posture is it ??? Clearly you've never met a natural Somali Woman !

And being from the UK I am aware of how many are going to Australia and I'm sure Australia will benefit. Somalians are very clever indeed.

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Housing policy for government housing or assistance schemes is not like the UK council housing schemes. Housing comission or homes west type schemes buy into ANY area, any estate, any place.

As such you will find immigrants will be placed in a variety of locations if government housing assistance applies. If not they probably look for the same things as the english immigrants.

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Mally Lass, you are right; Somalis are very clever. They seem to know how to get what they want from their host country.

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:cool:

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What do the poms bring to the area?

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The OP didn't state anything about English and what they contributed, but if you're asking, I assume to carry out work, like most people, in trades that Australia needs.

Are the Somalians, with apparently limited limbs (from another poster) and poor english also capable of offering the same contribution ?

It was a question...........chill out !

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Australia despite the common notion that it only takes white poms from manchester and surrey :rolleyes: , also takes immigrants and refugees from 229 other countries.

Included among them are a great deal from africa, not just refugees but immigrants too. If australia chooses to offer a few thousand places to people who are fleeing a life most of us cant comprehend then well done australia. Most countries take some humanitarian cases, australias no different.

Besides 19. 5 million of the 20 odd million people who live in australia are not aboriginal, they are from immigrant stock, australia takes who it can get from where it can get them. The only people on here really saying who should be allowed to come in and whos flippin superior :rolleyes: to someone else should be the aboriginals after all they are the native australians not us.

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If some of the threads on this forum are a guide, a lot of racist comments about immigrants :eek:

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Firstly I agree with Countries taking in immigrants from wherever, I have not said this is a problem !!! I also said nothing about being superior and was not my point. I was asking a Q to the OP !! I am also aware of the history of Australia, thank you !

However if Australia does indeed take who it can get from where it can get it, why is it so difficult for people who are paying to get there ???

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If you dont have a problem with Somalians and non english immigrants then what is your point about them :confused:

As for immigration, Difficult compared to what? would a hairdresser, builder, bricklayer etc get into the United states or indeed how many people who qualify to immigrate to aus could get into the USA at all.

Waiting times, we know aussies emigrating to Canada, the processing time is up to 5 YEARS.

Makes australia look pretty easy by comparisom.

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I was waiting for this.

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But people dont have a problem with them :rolleyes:

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I wasn't comparing to any other Country, and neither were you.

You said "australia takes who it can get from where it can get them."

and my question was "However if Australia does indeed take who it can get from where it can get it, why is it so difficult for people who are paying to get there ???"

Refugees do not go through the costly immigration process, so why is it so difficult for those paying ???

I'm not comparing to other countries, I'm asking about Australia, not Canada or anywhere else.

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on the edge indeed

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I am sure the average refugee would swap the atrocities or horrors they had to go through to end up in a refugee camp for your one year wait and a few days of paperwork.

I dont actually think people get themselves into a refugee situation thinking , oh yeah might wake up today, have a few family members die, lose a limb or two as you so charmingly put it, become homesless, own nothing bar a few rags, starve the children, go through a war or two, oh look now I can get into australia :eek: Too easy.

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If youre gonna quote me at least get it right. It was another poster who informed me about losing limbs, as I said in my own post.

As for what they go through !!! Maybe Australia does get the truly needy ones.

(I will add I spent a long time working with ethnic minority communities, Somalian being a very large one and I have been informed by them all of the terrible time they had getting into the country they chose to end up in !)

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Sallyanne, you really should learn how to spell. Artistic is spelt 'Sarcastic' :)

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What is a Mally anyway?

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A Dog..............and Yes I do bite !

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Are you quite nice in real life?

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why you ask ???

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Your posts are all still there for people to read, quotes you made and otherwise, what you havent answered is what exactly your point is about somalians, the comments youve made such as how "clever" they are mean what then? :rolleyes:

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You seem so aggressive - is that just on here?

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I know a vast amount about Somalian culture. I won't post it on here because the last time I was truly honest about my work experience and answering someone's questions, I was severely slated by many members, because I couldn't 'Prove' my word and what I knew with links and such like and it was assumed I was racist. However, I shall say no more on this subject, because someone else WILL come along and join in the slating. I cannot prove what I say as it's experience and paperwork is confidential, so not able to post it as links etc.

I simply asked the OP what she meant by what they offer and the reply I received was 'good posture'. I guess when you've had different cultures living with you for a number of years and you get to know their ways and their motives, you tend to become a little cynical.

:)

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If you find other posts of mine, you'll see I'm not aggressive 'on here' in general, but I do become aggressive when people start to make silly comments about me, when I have not offended them ;)

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It's costly because it should be costly.

It isn't costly for refugees because by definition they are living in circumstances which are intolerable: The fear of the knock at the door in the middle of the night because their religion is different or their ethnic group is different or their skin colour is different or they have spokebn against the ruling class...

Ironically, conditions which some people brought up in the UK and trying to get into Australia, currently living in a leafy suburb and whose travels have never taken them out of Europe, might actually aspire to.

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I agree regards the cost, but If it should be costly then it should be so for everyone. ;)

....mmm quite a common occurence in areas of the city I used to live in !
Kurds v Turks........South Afs v Somalians........Iraqians v many......etc

Think what you will, or what you're convinced of/told. I will always know a true refugee and have only ever known of 5 out of around 5,000. Again I cannot prove statistics, experience only, no links to accompany, sorry ! :)

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Well of course there will be some who shaft the system - just as there will be Brits who shaft the welfare state in the UK. (Oh my back's bad - I need disability payments).

But just because there are some who shaft the system, it doesn't mean that refugees shouldn't get in for free. Pseudo-refugee's should be weeded out.

The danger is (and I'm sure that you know this given your background) when you start labeling whole nationalities as con-merchants. There are some idiots who will believe this.

Goodness me it's like saying that all Australians are ex-convict racist thicko's who live in a cultural vacuum, don't know how to build decent houses, live in regulated markets and accept a weekly shafting by Coles and Woolies.