imranprogrammer

Snakes are never lovable. They can go mad anytime.
Yes you are right about yourself. (make fun with them)

renth

Me too.

Cheetah7

I cant fit much in the back of my Yaris so I get the important animal type stuff in first, much to Mr PPs horror, which means he does the shopping.

mohogony

l guess thats Perth, l've never seen any snakes in Melbourne except the Zoo

njk435

This link may be useful:

http://www.avru.org/firstaid/firstaid_pib.html

commonwealth

but i'm really gay!

imranprogrammer

When you came to know that.

paulry

Get one of these. Very effective for emergencies .

** I should add that this should only be used for snake bite emergencies where rapid access to medical assistance is unavailable **

John_R

These are not effective or recommeded for use in snake bite. There has been plenty of research undertaken in these vaccum pumps, and they are not to be used. We are lucky here in Australia in that all snake bites receive the same first aid procedures, pressure bandage and imobilisation.


John

pink13

regarding the trouser snake i have found that if it becomes aggressive then a little tickle in the lower region near where it begins to bulge tend to calm it right down until it is totaly charmed

I once read about a guy who was a worker in the outback so very respectful of the wildlife he would come up against, he was bitten by whatever snake it was and was going to die and he knew it, he had joint in his first aid kit and lay down to die near the road as it was in the middle of nowhere and he knew that if he tried to drive he would be dead before he got anywhere,

a while later(fate, karma luck who cares) a car past him took him to hospital and he was fine after getting the anti venom, they told him it was the marijuana that saved his life because he slowed his heart rate right down and chilled him out so much it stopped the venom from travelling round his body to quickly!!!!

so for me living in Cairns i have insisted on having that joint in the first aid kit just in case

John_R

paulry

Not sure. I'll have to find out more when time permits. In any case I would take the kit along just in case when bushwalking - expecially in remote areas. But so far I've only had cause to use it for a bee sting and that time it proved very effective. It removed the venom as well as the sting from the sole of my foot. The relief was immediate, It felt like I'd not been stung.

John_R

Hi Mate, I'm not trying to be anal but just don't want people to get the wrong impression with these suction units. And please bear in mind insect bites/stings are different to snake bite.

Below is an abstract of one paper, the author Dr S Bush (Venom ER)

Snakebite suction devices don't remove venom: They just suck
Sean P Bush
Annals of Emergency Medicine February 2004 (Vol. 43, Issue 2, Pages 187-188)

Study objective
We determine the percentage of mock venom recovered by a suction device (Sawyer Extractor pump) in a simulated snakebite in human volunteers.

Methods
A mock venom (1 mL normal saline solution, 5.0 mg albumin, 2.5 mg aggregated albumin) radioactively labeled with 1 mCi of technetium was injected with a curved 16-gauge hypodermic needle 1 cm into the right lateral lower leg of 8 supine male volunteers aged 28 to 51 years. The Sawyer Extractor pump was applied after a 3-minute delay, and the blood removed by suction was collected after an additional 15 minutes. A 1991 Siemens Diacam was used to take measurements of the radioactive counts extracted and those remaining in the leg and body.

Results
The “envenomation load,” as measured by mean radioactivity in the leg after injection, was 89,895 counts/min. The mean radioactivity found in the blood extracted in the 15 minutes of suction was 38.5 counts/min (95% confidence interval [CI] −33 to 110 counts/min), representing 0.04% of the envenomation load. The postextraction leg count was less than the envenomation load by 1,832 counts/min (95% CI −3,863 to 200 counts/min), representing a 2.0% decrease in the total body venom load.

Conclusion
The Sawyer Extractor pump removed bloody fluid from our simulated snakebite wounds but removed virtually no mock venom, which suggests that suction is unlikely to be an effective treatment for reducing the total body venom burden after a venomous snakebite.

Don't be offended, I just think good, sound advice should be given when possible.

John

kimilseung

Snake bite emergency action?

In the event of getting of your head, just start drinking either lager or cider, but not together.

paulry

Thanks a lot for that John. I'm convinced. 'Will rely on it to deal with insect bites only from here on.