the troubadour

Arriving in Australia then (20 years ago)I can tell you it was very different. Houses were a snitch compared to London and Europe. Jobs not very forthcoming but living was cheap. Cheap enough to eat out three nights at least a week and remark how cheap things were compared to UK/Europe.
Some understanding of what is happening or has happened gives people every right to be angry at what has developed at the rapid changes in equality and a fair go something this nation held its head up high too.

Fact being check it out if not believing is that First Home Buyers have never been lower in percentage terms in house purchases. Who are they? The young. Most go too speculators or overseas investors and migration was never close to the numbers during the recession all those years ago as now where there is a recession in jobs for young even if not acknowledged.

Point of threat pretty obvious I'd have thought.

the troubadour

Congrats to her. Hope working life isn't too much of a shock.

Pollyana

Done

Pollyana

yeay

the troubadour

Many thanks Pollyana for that.

the troubadour

Morrison the former hard line, Immigration Minister is about to take over social Services.
Watch for the increasingly hard language coming out of certain media sources, as words like Bludgers and rorts come increasingly into use in the targeting of the disabled and unemployed.

Already less funding for welfare groups like Shelter Australia and Deaf Australia, Blind Australia and Down Syndrome Australia.

Beoz

He got the job for his "successful" work in the "Stop the boats" campaign. That debate might be for another thread

Amazulu

A hard line needs to be taken

Welfare is out of control - another facet of the failed, destructive political system for the mediocre called socialism

Time to break it

the troubadour

A hard line needs to be taken on the legal rorts costing the nation a fortune like the super and negative gearing for starters.

We have seen the hard line this government wanted to take. No dole for under 30's for six months. Not after six months but before. A recipe for social disaster.

We have seen the results of countries with poor social systems. We don't want to become another America or worse a RSA.

Just how do Right Wingers imagine how that will look I wonder? Is it going to enhance the lives of its citizens? Life is or should be more than that. Certainly more than an economic unit where those functioning well can gloat and rule over the less fortunate of citizens. A return to a hundred years ago. No thanks. Better idea. Reform Capitalism.

the troubadour

Glad you added the brackets.

Beoz

Well yes. It will enhance the life of those who do pay tax as the savings can be invested into things like health, infrastructure, etc.

Let's say this policy wasn't as black and white as you make out. Let's say that there were some conditions involved. For example the disabled were exempt. I guess that would go without saying. Other groups who are unable to work were exempt. Let's say this policy was designed to help those who can work, even if it was labouring or working in McDonalds, get out there and support themselves. ..... and we do know there are some under 30 capable of working who just don't.

Let's just say this policy was potentially not as black and white as you make out..

the troubadour

The policy in question couldn't really be more black and white. The banning of people from the dole under thirty. That in a time of record un/under employment. A very ideological solution to a far more complicated problem.
The fact being there is not the work out there for people. Especially those with little work experience or those over fifty.

Hardly an Australian unique thing just how the world has/is changing. Gets back to another thread. Just why do we need such population growth in times of lower demand?

Beoz

Is there actually record unemployment? Sounds like you are really pro-dole? There's got to be better ways of giving people money for nothing.

It would also be interesting to see a stat on the amount of immigrants who are unemployed. I bet its very few.

MountainHiker

There are plenty of jobs about if you have the right skills, problem is people aren't going out and getting the skills required, take something simple like a forklift operator. $500 and 3 days to get your ticket and these jobs pay a decent starting wage and plenty of work about.

the troubadour

I'd say 457's would be low. Some migrants have mentioned not getting the hours they would like. As they don't register I guess we'll never know.

The best way is to train people for the jobs of the future. Nothing to do with being pro dole. With youth un/under employment being at records you'd approve cutting the dole off completely then for six months?
What a wonderful country this would likely become not.