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Old Dec 11th 2010 | 9:50 am
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If Australias a racist country against Asians then why does it allow 70% of all immigrants to come from Asia.In 50 years half the population of Australia will probably be Asian and in 100 years majority Asian. Australia is'nt a racist country but l guess most people overseas are ignorant of what Australia is really like and think its racist.

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Old Dec 11th 2010 | 10:02 am
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You are exactly what is wrong with Western society. People like you are a cancerous tumour that needs to be cut out and disposed of. Your beliefs, values and attitudes are a direct threat to the survival of Western Civilisation.
And of course Western Civilisation is the only way to go! Do you practice the goosestep often or have you always walked like that?

I'm outta here - seems as usual an issue cant ever be debated on this forum without someone getting downright offensive, personal and nasty.
 
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And of course Western Civilisation is the only way to go! Do you practice the goosestep often or have you always walked like that?

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Old Dec 11th 2010 | 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
Yet Jews are not a race, they are people who follow a religion
Jews are a distinct ethnic group. You can be Jewish without being religious. There are plenty of secular Jews in the world. Hitler didn't persecute the Jews on the basis of their religion; he persecuted them on the basis of their ethnicity.

Originally Posted by IvanM
This is a country which had a whites only policy until the seventies.
Well... no. It didn't. Australia accepted large numbers of Malaysian, Indonesian and Filipino immigrants during WWII. There was never a blanket prohibition against non-white immigrants and no single, official "white Australia policy." The closest we ever came to this was the Immigration Restriction Act 1901, which allowed immigration officials absurd scope for rejecting legitimate immigrants of any kind, regardless of their skin colour. Many Europeans were knocked back under this legislation, as were some white British. IRA 1901 was abolished in 1958.

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Old Dec 11th 2010 | 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by fish.01
I think you misunderstand me. I am saying it is not racism because I think it is not racism - not because of any perceived weak argument - racism is about race, not country.

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Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, but under Australian, UK, American, and the vast majority of developed European Countries' law - racism includes nationality. So under Australian law racism is about country as well.

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/racial_discr...rda/index.html

At least Australia has anti-discrimination legislation - unlike African and Asian countries where discrimination is overt.
 
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Originally Posted by ProudVIC
...You will find over here that Asians and Indians (as well as hundreds of other nationalities) are prominent in everyday life. Many of them are behind the counter of shops, especially in the inner urban areas and are very prominent in the streets. They drive the trains and taxis and man the railway stations, etc. etc....
With apologies for partial quoting, but it was a long post - did you really mean that to sound so bad?

In the 1950s we Brits recruited West Indians to do all the crap jobs we didn't want to do, too.
 
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Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, but under Australian, UK, American, and the vast majority of developed European Countries' law - racism includes nationality. So under Australian law racism is about country as well.

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/racial_discr...rda/index.html

At least Australia has anti-discrimination legislation - unlike African and Asian countries where discrimination is overt.
Yeah, noticed that in previous discussions on this forum. I think it is just legislative expediency...it also covers descent and immigration status...it would be a mouthful to give it a totally accurate title. That expediency doesn't change the real meaning of the word. I doubt very much the act is meant to cover this sort of banter between people of the same race as opposed to malicious discrimination. If so we better go and arrest the whole barmy army.
 
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Originally Posted by fish.01
Yea. I doubt very much the act is meant to cover this sort of banter between people of the same race as opposed to malicious discrimination. If so we better go and arrest the whole barmy army.
I agree with you totally, and having lectured on racism at postgraduate level in America, the UK, and now Australia, Australia, in my view, is more accepting of light hearted banter based on nationality, whereas in the UK it is more prone to litigation - and that is the fault of the culture of political correctness and lawyers more than anything else.
 
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Non-native english speaking colleagues have asked me about this a few times, especially those with dark skin. I do see and hear it sometimes in the street from a minority of assholes, and there are assholes everywhere.

What I say to people is that it's not your fault and it's their problem and not yours. I understand that it's easy to let it get to you, but you have to understand that those people are ignorant and limited individuals. For that you have to pity them.

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Originally Posted by Seasider
With apologies for partial quoting, but it was a long post - did you really mean that to sound so bad?

In the 1950s we Brits recruited West Indians to do all the crap jobs we didn't want to do, too.
Haha, yes I realised that sounded bad some time after I posted it. What I meant to communicate is that people from other countries and other races are firmly entrenched into our society here.

They are prominent in day to day life. The examples I used were meant to convey this. If you walk into a random shop in inner Melbourne, chances are the person serving you will be of ethnic origin and not 'white Australian'. If someone is making an announcement over a PA at the railway station, it is likely to be a foreign accent and sometimes broken English.

Australians have learned to associate with, communicate and live with people of many races. Quite a few of these people have no experience with western culture and can find it very hard to fit in with Australians of Anglo-Celtic origin who have known nothing but western culture. In this environment, racial issues are bound to pop up, but in all honesty I believe Australia has handled it remarkably well, certainly compared to many other countries where the very thought of multiculturalism is violently opposed, i.e. most Asian, African and Middle East countries. (Imagine a large number of Australians, British and other Europeans seeking immigration to one of these countries).

Of course, other than the menial jobs (and I admit that sounded really bad what I posted), there are many people of ethnic origin in the medical field, academic fields and politics to name but a few who are very high achievers and have been acknowledged as such by the Australian community.

In fact the Governor of Victoria, the most prestigious position in the state and amongst the most prestigious in Australia, is of Sri Lankan Heritage and an immigrant.

Not to mention the former Lord Mayor of Melbourne, who was Chinese and could barely string a sentence together in English but was still highly respected by many, many local councillors in the cities who have been elected by the people who are of ethnic origin, many people in the media, Australian sportsmen and women, etc. etc.

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Old Dec 11th 2010 | 6:49 pm
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Originally Posted by ProudVIC


In fact the Governor of Victoria, the most prestigious position in the state and amongst the most prestigious in Australia, is of Sri Lankan Heritage and an immigrant.

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The Governor of NSW is of Lebanese descent,The Governor: Professor Marie Bashir AC, the first woman to be appointed Governor of NSW.
 
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But the post war immigration minister Arthur Calwell sought to have those WWII Asians deported and was partially successful. I would argue that it was a highly racist policy in practise and one Australian polite society wish never existed. Every nation has something shameful in its past and the "Europeans Only" intention of the times is something that has shaped this nation. I can also see the nation has changed dramatically since then but the attitudes of the generation who supported the legislation is often still unashamedly outspoken in its support of the policies.

The end result of the policies until 1973 was effectively Europeans only. Whilst the rules resulted in partial arbitrary denial of entry to some Brits it lead to total denial for others, mainly non whites. IMO it is one of the most blatantly racist policies this country has had rivalling the denial of citizenship to Aborigines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
Relaxation of restrictions
Australian policy began to shift towards significantly increasing immigration. Legislative changes over the next few decades continuously opened up immigration in Australia.[11]

1947 The Australian Government relaxed the Immigration Restriction Act allowing non-Europeans the right to settle permanently in Australia for business reasons.
1950 Colombo Plan, students from Asian countries were admitted to study at Australian universities.
1957 Non-Europeans with 15 years' residence in Australia were allowed to become citizens.
1958 The Revised Migration Act of 1958 abolished the dictation test and introduced a simpler system for entry.
1959 Australians were permitted to sponsor Asian spouses for citizenship.
1964 Conditions of entry for people of non-European stock were relaxed.
After a review of the European policy in March 1966, Immigration Minister Hubert Opperman announced applications for migration would be accepted from well-qualified people on the basis of their suitability as settlers, their ability to integrate readily and their possession of qualifications positively useful to Australia. At the same time, the Holt Liberal government decided a number of "temporary resident" non-Europeans, who were not required to leave Australia, could become permanent residents and citizens after five years (the same as for Europeans).

As a result, annual non-European settler arrivals rose from 746 in 1966 to 2,696 in 1971, while annual part-European settler arrivals rose from 1,498 to 6,054.[12]
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Well... no. It didn't. Australia accepted large numbers of Malaysian, Indonesian and Filipino immigrants during WWII. There was never a blanket prohibition against non-white immigrants and no single, official "white Australia policy." The closest we ever came to this was the Immigration Restriction Act 1901, which allowed immigration officials absurd scope for rejecting legitimate immigrants of any kind, regardless of their skin colour. Many Europeans were knocked back under this legislation, as were some white British. IRA 1901 was abolished in 1958.
 
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I believe it effectively ended in the late 60's.
 
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[QUOTE=ponyrama;9034335]Australia does not discriminate - it is racist towards everyone. Including its own indigenous people and also its english/european cousins (dont get me started!!!). The thing that annoys me about it is that most Australians wont accept that they are racist - which is also known as ignorance.

Australia is racist towards everyone? I thing you will find that a migrant who comes to Australia and embraces the culture and accepts that things here are different and gets on with it is much more accepted than one that arrives and whinges that such and such is not the same etc. The latter are only going to get more grieve from the aussies which some may interpret as racist.
 
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A friend of mine was called a white sl#t by the owner of a shop in WA yesterday. She's Aussie, but you know what, she didn't even mention what race he was when she told me about it, it didn't enter her head.

He's now been reported for racial discrimination
 


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