quickest way in ????????
Oct 24th 2004 | 9:09 pm
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Re: quickest way in ????????
hi , I have recently received a negative TRA assesment for my wife who completed a 6 month City & Guilds training course for her job. On the back of the letter TRA give the aceptable ammount of training they need for a Skilled Aplicancant
Formal Apprenticeship- time/experiance 4 years and 900 hrs formal training and contract of Apprenticeship
Informal Apprenticeship- 5 years ,900 hrs of formal training
Vocational Traineeship-5 yrs ,1800hrs formal training ,recognised Traineeship
Vocational Experiance- 6/7 years , identifiable Skill level
Australian Qualification - no time specified ,minimum AQF 3 ,trade test
pretty strict eh? best of luck ,i know me and the mrs are going to need it !!
Formal Apprenticeship- time/experiance 4 years and 900 hrs formal training and contract of Apprenticeship
Informal Apprenticeship- 5 years ,900 hrs of formal training
Vocational Traineeship-5 yrs ,1800hrs formal training ,recognised Traineeship
Vocational Experiance- 6/7 years , identifiable Skill level
Australian Qualification - no time specified ,minimum AQF 3 ,trade test
pretty strict eh? best of luck ,i know me and the mrs are going to need it !!
Oct 24th 2004 | 9:48 pm
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Originally Posted by Peter500
Hi everyone. I've just signed up to this forum as I would like to emigrate to Australia. My problem is I have no skills and no friends or family out there. I've gathered that if you have a "skill in demand" then this can get you into the country, along with other bits and bobs to make up the points.
Now my question?
I've seen courses for plumbing that can be crash coursed in 9 months, I've seen the same type of course to become MCSE qualified (I.T) in 6 months!! Does anybody have any other advice on how long it takes on average to get qualified in their field, either doing a full or part time course at college or wherever?
Any help will be very much appreciated as I really have no idea of which way to jump at the moment
I'm currently 35 and the way I see it have 10 yrs to get there, I just want to get started researching college places but don't want to go starting a course that will take 2 yrs when I can be qualified in another suitable field in say 9 months.
I hope that makes some sense
Pete
Now my question?
I've seen courses for plumbing that can be crash coursed in 9 months, I've seen the same type of course to become MCSE qualified (I.T) in 6 months!! Does anybody have any other advice on how long it takes on average to get qualified in their field, either doing a full or part time course at college or wherever?
Any help will be very much appreciated as I really have no idea of which way to jump at the moment
I'm currently 35 and the way I see it have 10 yrs to get there, I just want to get started researching college places but don't want to go starting a course that will take 2 yrs when I can be qualified in another suitable field in say 9 months.I hope that makes some sense
Pete
Oct 24th 2004 | 10:28 pm
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Hi Peter
I would say go on a student visa. That is what i am doing hopefully....medicals tomorrow.
If you train for something that carries a points score of 60 and you train for 2 years or more in Australia, you are exempt from the work experience side of it. The only thing is that you have to pay for your courses, and then prove you have enough money, so it is certainly the most expensive way. I am 39 and am going to train to be a radiographer. I applied directly to universities there. I found them by searching on the internet then either applying on line or downloaded the application form and sending it off. I received an offer of a place within a couple of weeks.
We are hoping to be in Brisbane in January. My course will be 4 years as I have to do a foundation course first as it is so long since I studied.
Hope this helps
Amanda
I would say go on a student visa. That is what i am doing hopefully....medicals tomorrow.
If you train for something that carries a points score of 60 and you train for 2 years or more in Australia, you are exempt from the work experience side of it. The only thing is that you have to pay for your courses, and then prove you have enough money, so it is certainly the most expensive way. I am 39 and am going to train to be a radiographer. I applied directly to universities there. I found them by searching on the internet then either applying on line or downloaded the application form and sending it off. I received an offer of a place within a couple of weeks.
We are hoping to be in Brisbane in January. My course will be 4 years as I have to do a foundation course first as it is so long since I studied.
Hope this helps
Amanda
Oct 25th 2004 | 5:52 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Point to remember.
You will (if the policy doesn't change) be exempt from 'recent work experience' as per the basic requirements imposed by DIMIA, but this doesn't stop the skills assessing authority from imposing work experience for you to get a positive assessment. You may well get this if you go down the trades route, so just completing the course doesn't mean you even get past the first hurdle.
If you are really serious about that option (as I am) look for a course where the assessing authority don't, or are unlikely to impose any work experience requirements. things may change and it may still not work out, but at least you're reducing the risks.
Any occupation assessed by Vetassess will only be interested inthe paper qualification, but you can only get a max 50 points depending on the course.
5 extra points for studying and living in a regional area for the 2 years min.
It's risky full stop. But lots of people get through.............and lots don't. :-)
You will (if the policy doesn't change) be exempt from 'recent work experience' as per the basic requirements imposed by DIMIA, but this doesn't stop the skills assessing authority from imposing work experience for you to get a positive assessment. You may well get this if you go down the trades route, so just completing the course doesn't mean you even get past the first hurdle.
If you are really serious about that option (as I am) look for a course where the assessing authority don't, or are unlikely to impose any work experience requirements. things may change and it may still not work out, but at least you're reducing the risks.
Any occupation assessed by Vetassess will only be interested inthe paper qualification, but you can only get a max 50 points depending on the course.
5 extra points for studying and living in a regional area for the 2 years min.
It's risky full stop. But lots of people get through.............and lots don't. :-)
Originally Posted by mand8002
Hi Peter
I would say go on a student visa. That is what i am doing hopefully....medicals tomorrow.
If you train for something that carries a points score of 60 and you train for 2 years or more in Australia, you are exempt from the work experience side of it. The only thing is that you have to pay for your courses, and then prove you have enough money, so it is certainly the most expensive way. I am 39 and am going to train to be a radiographer. I applied directly to universities there. I found them by searching on the internet then either applying on line or downloaded the application form and sending it off. I received an offer of a place within a couple of weeks.
We are hoping to be in Brisbane in January. My course will be 4 years as I have to do a foundation course first as it is so long since I studied.
Hope this helps
Amanda
I would say go on a student visa. That is what i am doing hopefully....medicals tomorrow.
If you train for something that carries a points score of 60 and you train for 2 years or more in Australia, you are exempt from the work experience side of it. The only thing is that you have to pay for your courses, and then prove you have enough money, so it is certainly the most expensive way. I am 39 and am going to train to be a radiographer. I applied directly to universities there. I found them by searching on the internet then either applying on line or downloaded the application form and sending it off. I received an offer of a place within a couple of weeks.
We are hoping to be in Brisbane in January. My course will be 4 years as I have to do a foundation course first as it is so long since I studied.
Hope this helps
Amanda
Oct 25th 2004 | 5:56 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
My qualification will be woth 60 points though and at the moment radiographers are on the modl.
Oct 25th 2004 | 8:24 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
My info was aimed at the original poster, but is equally applicable to all of us going down the student route.
Regards
Steve
Regards
Steve
Originally Posted by mand8002
My qualification will be woth 60 points though and at the moment radiographers are on the modl.
Oct 25th 2004 | 8:28 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Originally Posted by mand8002
Hi Peter
I would say go on a student visa. That is what i am doing hopefully....medicals tomorrow.
If you train for something that carries a points score of 60 and you train for 2 years or more in Australia, you are exempt from the work experience side of it. The only thing is that you have to pay for your courses, and then prove you have enough money, so it is certainly the most expensive way. I am 39 and am going to train to be a radiographer. I applied directly to universities there. I found them by searching on the internet then either applying on line or downloaded the application form and sending it off. I received an offer of a place within a couple of weeks.
We are hoping to be in Brisbane in January. My course will be 4 years as I have to do a foundation course first as it is so long since I studied.
Hope this helps
Amanda
I would say go on a student visa. That is what i am doing hopefully....medicals tomorrow.
If you train for something that carries a points score of 60 and you train for 2 years or more in Australia, you are exempt from the work experience side of it. The only thing is that you have to pay for your courses, and then prove you have enough money, so it is certainly the most expensive way. I am 39 and am going to train to be a radiographer. I applied directly to universities there. I found them by searching on the internet then either applying on line or downloaded the application form and sending it off. I received an offer of a place within a couple of weeks.
We are hoping to be in Brisbane in January. My course will be 4 years as I have to do a foundation course first as it is so long since I studied.
Hope this helps
Amanda
Hi Amanda, I'm sure i'm wrong but I thought I'd read somewhere you had to be under 25 or something like that to go thru this route, but am sure you know what's what!
This is looking very appealing as I'd sooner be studying in Oz than over here. I'm going to spend tonight doing a bit of research. I'd be happy to pay for my studies no prob, foundation course and all!!!
I wonder if this entitles my partner and kids citizenship ?? ......... no good if not ...lol
Oct 25th 2004 | 8:29 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Originally Posted by stevereed
My info was aimed at the original poster, but is equally applicable to all of us going down the student route.
Regards
Steve
Regards
Steve
Oct 25th 2004 | 8:44 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
No age limit on becoming a student, although to apply for residency at the end you still need to be under 45.
Dependants can come with you on your student visa, and if you get PR at the end they will also be included (beware if they become 18 whilst you're there as if they are no longer dependants it can create a problem apparently)
I'm doing a Bachelor of Commerce with a major in Accounting (9 units minimum) to satisfy the relevant assessment authorities) Most Uni's do a CPAA/NIA/ICAA accredited units so you know you're doing the right stuff.
Study in a regional uni, 5 extra points if you do (must live in regional area too)
Course must be minimum of 2 years. Many uni's do summer semesters where you do 2 units over the summer break. This can reduce you course to 2,5 years.
Have you got close family ties in Australia?
Dependants can come with you on your student visa, and if you get PR at the end they will also be included (beware if they become 18 whilst you're there as if they are no longer dependants it can create a problem apparently)
I'm doing a Bachelor of Commerce with a major in Accounting (9 units minimum) to satisfy the relevant assessment authorities) Most Uni's do a CPAA/NIA/ICAA accredited units so you know you're doing the right stuff.
Study in a regional uni, 5 extra points if you do (must live in regional area too)
Course must be minimum of 2 years. Many uni's do summer semesters where you do 2 units over the summer break. This can reduce you course to 2,5 years.
Have you got close family ties in Australia?
Originally Posted by Peter500
Yeah thanks Steve, points noted :-)
Oct 25th 2004 | 8:53 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Originally Posted by stevereed
No age limit on becoming a student, although to apply for residency at the end you still need to be under 45.
Dependants can come with you on your student visa, and if you get PR at the end they will also be included (beware if they become 18 whilst you're there as if they are no longer dependants it can create a problem apparently)
I'm doing a Bachelor of Commerce with a major in Accounting (9 units minimum) to satisfy the relevant assessment authorities) Most Uni's do a CPAA/NIA/ICAA accredited units so you know you're doing the right stuff.
Study in a regional uni, 5 extra points if you do (must live in regional area too)
Course must be minimum of 2 years. Many uni's do summer semesters where you do 2 units over the summer break. This can reduce you course to 2,5 years.
Have you got close family ties in Australia?
Dependants can come with you on your student visa, and if you get PR at the end they will also be included (beware if they become 18 whilst you're there as if they are no longer dependants it can create a problem apparently)
I'm doing a Bachelor of Commerce with a major in Accounting (9 units minimum) to satisfy the relevant assessment authorities) Most Uni's do a CPAA/NIA/ICAA accredited units so you know you're doing the right stuff.
Study in a regional uni, 5 extra points if you do (must live in regional area too)
Course must be minimum of 2 years. Many uni's do summer semesters where you do 2 units over the summer break. This can reduce you course to 2,5 years.
Have you got close family ties in Australia?
No, unfortunately no family in Oz. My kids are 12 & 14 now. I know, not ideal time for them to be upping and goin, but they are both cool with it all
I'm 35 now so that side of things will be ok I guess.
My only other worry now is that I left school at 15, I haven't a qualification to my name. I wonder if this matters at all ?!
Oct 25th 2004 | 8:58 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
For my course the only requirements are to have English Language abilities. I only have an O Level in English.
It'll cost you a lot as you need to pay for the kids schooling too, as well as the course $36000 and rent etc. You and your partner will be able to apply to work 20 hrs pw max, with you being able to work full time during holidays.
you would have to nominate a 60 point occupation at the end. Id go for the extra 5 regional points if you can, and make sure that you think you can get the points you need at the end.
Remember points pass mark could rise, policy changes etc. It's a risk, but make it a calculated one not a leap in the dark
regards
Steve
PS. Want any more info feel free to PM me
It'll cost you a lot as you need to pay for the kids schooling too, as well as the course $36000 and rent etc. You and your partner will be able to apply to work 20 hrs pw max, with you being able to work full time during holidays.
you would have to nominate a 60 point occupation at the end. Id go for the extra 5 regional points if you can, and make sure that you think you can get the points you need at the end.
Remember points pass mark could rise, policy changes etc. It's a risk, but make it a calculated one not a leap in the dark
regards
Steve
PS. Want any more info feel free to PM me
Originally Posted by Peter500
No, unfortunately no family in Oz. My kids are 12 & 14 now. I know, not ideal time for them to be upping and goin, but they are both cool with it all
I'm 35 now so that side of things will be ok I guess.
My only other worry now is that I left school at 15, I haven't a qualification to my name. I wonder if this matters at all ?!
I'm 35 now so that side of things will be ok I guess.
My only other worry now is that I left school at 15, I haven't a qualification to my name. I wonder if this matters at all ?!
Oct 25th 2004 | 9:14 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Sites to look at
http://cricos.detya.gov.au/ This is a database of courses available to overseas students
www.immi.gov.au DIMIA website
http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/Default.htm Study in Australia - Government site.
http://cricos.detya.gov.au/ This is a database of courses available to overseas students
www.immi.gov.au DIMIA website
http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/Default.htm Study in Australia - Government site.
Originally Posted by stevereed
For my course the only requirements are to have English Language abilities. I only have an O Level in English.
It'll cost you a lot as you need to pay for the kids schooling too, as well as the course $36000 and rent etc. You and your partner will be able to apply to work 20 hrs pw max, with you being able to work full time during holidays.
you would have to nominate a 60 point occupation at the end. Id go for the extra 5 regional points if you can, and make sure that you think you can get the points you need at the end.
Remember points pass mark could rise, policy changes etc. It's a risk, but make it a calculated one not a leap in the dark
regards
Steve
PS. Want any more info feel free to PM me
It'll cost you a lot as you need to pay for the kids schooling too, as well as the course $36000 and rent etc. You and your partner will be able to apply to work 20 hrs pw max, with you being able to work full time during holidays.
you would have to nominate a 60 point occupation at the end. Id go for the extra 5 regional points if you can, and make sure that you think you can get the points you need at the end.
Remember points pass mark could rise, policy changes etc. It's a risk, but make it a calculated one not a leap in the dark
regards
Steve
PS. Want any more info feel free to PM me
Oct 25th 2004 | 9:17 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Originally Posted by stevereed
For my course the only requirements are to have English Language abilities. I only have an O Level in English.
It'll cost you a lot as you need to pay for the kids schooling too, as well as the course $36000 and rent etc. You and your partner will be able to apply to work 20 hrs pw max, with you being able to work full time during holidays.
you would have to nominate a 60 point occupation at the end. Id go for the extra 5 regional points if you can, and make sure that you think you can get the points you need at the end.
Remember points pass mark could rise, policy changes etc. It's a risk, but make it a calculated one not a leap in the dark
regards
Steve
PS. Want any more info feel free to PM me
It'll cost you a lot as you need to pay for the kids schooling too, as well as the course $36000 and rent etc. You and your partner will be able to apply to work 20 hrs pw max, with you being able to work full time during holidays.
you would have to nominate a 60 point occupation at the end. Id go for the extra 5 regional points if you can, and make sure that you think you can get the points you need at the end.
Remember points pass mark could rise, policy changes etc. It's a risk, but make it a calculated one not a leap in the dark
regards
Steve
PS. Want any more info feel free to PM me
Steve can you tell me if you know, for arguements sake, If I wanted to study to be a plumber (or another trade) which gives 60 points on the SOl list, will this work ??
I am a bit confused
Oh and the extra fee's for kids schooling is a bit of a shock, I guess you will have to pay for any medical expenses too ?!?
Oct 25th 2004 | 9:35 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Firstly, you get a student healthcare cover $700 pear year ish for all family.
You can go trades courses although plumbing, plastering, bricklaying etc don't appear available to internartional students. Check the CRICOS site
If you did say a Certificate III & IV in say horticulture it may work. BUT when you come to have your skills assessed by the TRA they may 1. Pass you 2. Fail you due to lack of work experience(if you don't get any during your course) 3. Make you do a trades test which you may pass or fail.
I chose my course because it should get 60 points, I will study in regional uni (5 points), my father lives in regional NSW so there 'should' be no points test for me anyway, but if something happens to him I'd still have a good chance of getting enough points. covering all areas as best as I can.
You can go trades courses although plumbing, plastering, bricklaying etc don't appear available to internartional students. Check the CRICOS site
If you did say a Certificate III & IV in say horticulture it may work. BUT when you come to have your skills assessed by the TRA they may 1. Pass you 2. Fail you due to lack of work experience(if you don't get any during your course) 3. Make you do a trades test which you may pass or fail.
I chose my course because it should get 60 points, I will study in regional uni (5 points), my father lives in regional NSW so there 'should' be no points test for me anyway, but if something happens to him I'd still have a good chance of getting enough points. covering all areas as best as I can.
Originally Posted by Peter500
Steve can you tell me if you know, for arguements sake, If I wanted to study to be a plumber (or another trade) which gives 60 points on the SOl list, will this work ??
I am a bit confused
Oh and the extra fee's for kids schooling is a bit of a shock, I guess you will have to pay for any medical expenses too ?!?
I am a bit confused
Oh and the extra fee's for kids schooling is a bit of a shock, I guess you will have to pay for any medical expenses too ?!?
Oct 25th 2004 | 10:08 am
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Re: quickest way in ????????
Originally Posted by stevereed
Firstly, you get a student healthcare cover $700 pear year ish for all family.
You can go trades courses although plumbing, plastering, bricklaying etc don't appear available to internartional students. Check the CRICOS site
If you did say a Certificate III & IV in say horticulture it may work. BUT when you come to have your skills assessed by the TRA they may 1. Pass you 2. Fail you due to lack of work experience(if you don't get any during your course) 3. Make you do a trades test which you may pass or fail.
I chose my course because it should get 60 points, I will study in regional uni (5 points), my father lives in regional NSW so there 'should' be no points test for me anyway, but if something happens to him I'd still have a good chance of getting enough points. covering all areas as best as I can.
You can go trades courses although plumbing, plastering, bricklaying etc don't appear available to internartional students. Check the CRICOS site
If you did say a Certificate III & IV in say horticulture it may work. BUT when you come to have your skills assessed by the TRA they may 1. Pass you 2. Fail you due to lack of work experience(if you don't get any during your course) 3. Make you do a trades test which you may pass or fail.
I chose my course because it should get 60 points, I will study in regional uni (5 points), my father lives in regional NSW so there 'should' be no points test for me anyway, but if something happens to him I'd still have a good chance of getting enough points. covering all areas as best as I can.
Hmmmm, a brick wall ??
Oh and I only just see a few prev replies at the end of page1. Unfortunately my partner's job isn't on the SOL list
