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Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
(Post 9243359)
Which one of the OPs questions are you trying to answer here?
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Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by papilon
(Post 9243353)
Very funny. They did not have to clear 80% just to make a civilized society, which until recently was only a very small population. They did it because they could and they got very rich doing it. Farming made Australia and NZ. If it wasn't for the High Country there would only be a few pockets of native forest left in Vic. Drive west from Melbourne and there is virtually no native forest left all the way to the S. Australian border. Drive east into south Gippsland and the only tract of decent native forest left is in Wilsons Prom.
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Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by SamSi
(Post 9243187)
That's interesting to know. In school we were taught that the Maoris had big burn offs in the SI when they arrived and then the settlers cleared heaps for farming when they arrived but that's going back 150 years. Is there still lots going on then? Do you have a link you could post? Thanks,
Yes I have a link for you http://www.biol.canterbury.ac.nz/peo...0al%202006.pdf <snip>forest cover had been reduced to an estimated 68% of the land surface by the time European settlers arrived in the early 1800s (Salmon, 1975), and about half of the lowland forests had been destroyed (Stevens et al., 1988; McGlone, 1989). The first European settlers in the early 19th Century initially cleared forest at a relatively slow rate (Arnold, 1994). However, with a growing population, improvements to roads and a new rail system, large-scale clearance of forest on the plains began in earnest in the 1870s (Arnold, 1994). Early New Zealand landholders were required by law to improve their land, and many achieved this via the simple act of burning the forest (Salmon, 1975). Primary forest clearance continued into the mid-20th century, and after the Second World War increasing amounts of forest in the mountain ranges were converted to farmland (Stevens et al., 1988) or fast-growing exotic plantations (Fleet, 1986). The net result of Maori and European exploitation of New Zealand’s indigenous forest was the destruction of approximately three-quarters of the forest, reducing it from 82% to 23% of the land surface area (Fleet, 1986; Leathwick et al., 2003b, 2004). |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by Bellasmum
(Post 9243217)
You might this interesting Sam
http://www.maf.govt.nz/news-resource...sting/forestry Our family are "Supporters of Tiritiri Matangi" an island in the Hauraki Gulf. It is an open sanctuary and one of New Zealand’s most successful community-led conservation projects. Since 1984, tens of thousands of volunteers have planted pohutukawa and other native trees, transforming the island’s barren pasture into dense forest. The island now boasts healthy populations of some our rarest birds and animals. http://haurakigulf.aucklandnz.com/is...i-matangi.html http://www.doc.govt.nz/upload/docume...act-sheet2.pdf |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by ProudVIC
(Post 9243270)
Victoria is 33% forest as of today. OK, some of it was devastated in the Black Saturday fires and there has been major damage over the past 10 years mainly as a symptom of recent climate change, but it has been hit hard before and it comes back.
New Zealand is around 30% forest, so actually a lesser ratio than in Victoria. Both places had 80% forest cover prior to white settlement so deforestation has been similar in both places. What really gets me worked up is when people cockily make strident comments assuming them to be factual when they are actually not factual, i.e. that person hasn't even looked for the statistics or done any research. Victoria is full of bloody forest. I wonder if the poster has even toured through rural Victoria to make such inaccurate assertions. Maybe you have been to Melbourne and traveled on a few highways through farming districts but have you actually been on the mountain roads and through the remoter areas, particularly in the central and east of the state where the majority of the forest is? One country where there isn't a lot of forest is the UK with just 12% forest cover and the same size as Victoria, which is where you all came from in the first place I assume. http://www.mongabay.com/deforestation_pcover.htm http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/CA256F310024B628/0/D6D3425A8ACF69CECA257195000972E1/$File/Victoria%27s+Forests.pdf (PDF file) |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by Expat Kiwi
(Post 9243407)
The plural of Maori is Maori :D
Yes I have a link for you http://www.biol.canterbury.ac.nz/peo...0al%202006.pdf You do realise that lignite is a poor quality coal don't you, not a species of wood....... |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by Bellasmum
(Post 9243217)
You might this interesting Sam
http://www.maf.govt.nz/news-resource...sting/forestry Our family are "Supporters of Tiritiri Matangi" an island in the Hauraki Gulf. It is an open sanctuary and one of New Zealand’s most successful community-led conservation projects. Since 1984, tens of thousands of volunteers have planted pohutukawa and other native trees, transforming the island’s barren pasture into dense forest. The island now boasts healthy populations of some our rarest birds and animals. http://haurakigulf.aucklandnz.com/is...i-matangi.html |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by SamSi
(Post 9243487)
Could you be any more patronising??? I am perfectly aware what lignite is. As I have been away from NZ for a long time I was genuinely interested in what you were alluding to in terms of deforestation, in the fact that it may be carrying on at pace today as opposed to what happened 150 years ago and earlier. However, the link you have posted tells me no more than what I learnt in 3rd form aged 12. Oh well.
Re the link I gave you. :D You were very lucky to have access to university research papers at such an early age, especially as it was written in 2006 which would make you about 17 now. Things have moved on apace since I was at school. The part I quoted to you was only by way of an introduction and if you had read it properly you'd have seen that it referenced right up to the mid 20th century. If you want to know more please download and read the full 300+ page document. The section you'll be most interested in is 4.4 Recent and future deforestation, it is subject to copyright so I really can't post any more of it. Remind me not to answer any of your questions in future, a simple thank you would have sufficed. |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by papilon
(Post 9243379)
Since when did everyone on BE start answering OPs questions :)
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Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
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Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy
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Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by SamSi
(Post 9243498)
Sounds amazing! Good to know some good stuff happening as well :thumbup:
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Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Do you love it? Yes
Are you better off? Yes, much better off. What do you like better about Australia than New Zealand? Higher wages, bigger cities, beautiful beaches, wider range of prodcuts, cheaper airfares to go overseas What do you prefer about New Zealand to Australia? No huntsman. If you don't know what huntsman is, this is it:http://http://www.fourthcrossingwild..._huntsman1.jpg Are you working in Australia? Yes Was it easy to find a job in Australia? Much easier. Have you bought a property in Australia? Yes, highrise apartment with a view. If so how much Stamp Duty did you pay? Zilch. First home buyer is exempt from stamp duty in NSW. Have you bought a car in Australia? Yes Are cars cheaper in Australia than New Zealand? No, used cars are cheaper in NZ. Do you see your move as permanent? Yes Are you returning to live in New Zealand? Hell No! Was moving to Australia a stepping stone to further afield like UK, USA or Europe? Nope |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
My goodness you are a argumentative bunch.
I posted the question on the Australian section asking Kiwis (nobody else) their reasons for moving from New Zealand to Australia and how it compared to their country of birth New Zealand. It was never intended to be a loaded question or to satisfy my reasons for living in or wishing to move to any particular country. A few people have replied & given me insight to the reasons why. You may ask why did I want to know it?- firstly I take a great interest in other people and their lives both past & present. I am a statistician & go around the world gathering facts, I also write and take a great interest in other peoples stories of immigration and what the motivation was in the first place. I have never been referred to as a Troll before- but guess there is always a first time & it is always interesting that some Aussies & Kiwi's when at a loss for something more intelligent to say will revert to sarcasm & insults. As for quoting excerpts I made 3 years ago all I can say to this is -I constantly move around the globe and because of my life experiences I form different & constantly evolving opinions. Not all people go to their grave with the same constant beliefs all their lives. I am fortunate that I can choose to live in many parts of the world and yes there are many things I love about Australia, New Zealand, Europe, South Africa etc & many things I do not like. There is no country that is 100% perfect. It is also amazing how so many posts on this forum completely deviate from the original subject & become nasty. |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by BearCave
(Post 9253390)
Do you love it? Yes
Are you better off? Yes, much better off. What do you like better about Australia than New Zealand? Higher wages, bigger cities, beautiful beaches, wider range of prodcuts, cheaper airfares to go overseas What do you prefer about New Zealand to Australia? No huntsman. If you don't know what huntsman is, this is it:http://http://www.fourthcrossingwild..._huntsman1.jpg Are you working in Australia? Yes Was it easy to find a job in Australia? Much easier. Have you bought a property in Australia? Yes, highrise apartment with a view. If so how much Stamp Duty did you pay? Zilch. First home buyer is exempt from stamp duty in NSW. Have you bought a car in Australia? Yes Are cars cheaper in Australia than New Zealand? No, used cars are cheaper in NZ. Do you see your move as permanent? Yes Are you returning to live in New Zealand? Hell No! Was moving to Australia a stepping stone to further afield like UK, USA or Europe? Nope Thank you for your honest replies. Always sad to see people departing for greener pastures but I can fully understand the reasons why they do. In my case as a senior citizen I found several benefits for living in NZ as opposed to Australia. At my age I no longer want to live in Sydney which I loved for 32 years but outgrew when it became too busy & expensive. Auckland has all of the amenities Sydney has & it is much easier to commute to Auckland CBD from my Eastern suburbs home than it was to do the same from my Sydney Eastern Suburbs home to Sydney CBD. Also parking is easier & cheaper. If only people in New Zealand could form lobby groups to get some things improved it may stop some of the Kiwi's leaving permanently. I also have been offered my job back for the 3rd time when I return to Auckland which is very flattering at my age & it comes with a very attractive salary. So I am really one of the very fortunate people. |
Re: This question is for Kiwi's`Only
Originally Posted by Aucklander
(Post 9262235)
My goodness you are a argumentative bunch.
I posted the question on the Australian section asking Kiwis (nobody else) their reasons for moving from New Zealand to Australia and how it compared to their country of birth New Zealand. It was never intended to be a loaded question or to satisfy my reasons for living in or wishing to move to any particular country. A few people have replied & given me insight to the reasons why. You may ask why did I want to know it?- firstly I take a great interest in other people and their lives both past & present. I am a statistician & go around the world gathering facts, I also write and take a great interest in other peoples stories of immigration and what the motivation was in the first place. I have never been referred to as a Troll before- but guess there is always a first time & it is always interesting that some Aussies & Kiwi's when at a loss for something more intelligent to say will revert to sarcasm & insults. As for quoting excerpts I made 3 years ago all I can say to this is -I constantly move around the globe and because of my life experiences I form different & constantly evolving opinions. Not all people go to their grave with the same constant beliefs all their lives. I am fortunate that I can choose to live in many parts of the world and yes there are many things I love about Australia, New Zealand, Europe, South Africa etc & many things I do not like. There is no country that is 100% perfect. It is also amazing how so many posts on this forum completely deviate from the original subject & become nasty. I am so sick of hearing about how many have moved Forgive me, but for a statistician you're not very objective. I can see how the phrase "lies, damn lies and statistics" came about now. It is ironic that your thread started with you telling people how you're sick about hearing about people moving and ends with you telling us about the countries and places you've lived in. Neither does that opening "sick of hearing" comment tie-in with your remark I take a great interest in other peoples stories of immigration Now you know why so many of us won't be doing the same as you, no matter how "fortunate" we are to be offered our old jobs back. Most of us see going back as a regression and we like to progress in our lives. |
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