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PR should be stopped!
PR should be stopped. Anyone "for" or "against"?
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Re: PR should be stopped!
No
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8842789)
PR should be stopped. Anyone "for" or "against"?
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Re: PR should be stopped!
I think this thread should be removed... I guess everyone deserves the chance to get PR. If the conditions should be stricter or not we could talk about that.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by smitas5
(Post 8843089)
I think this thread should be removed... I guess everyone deserves the chance to get PR. If the conditions should be stricter or not we could talk about that.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
OK, I've had a tough weekend- what's PR?
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Drell
(Post 8843199)
OK, I've had a tough weekend- what's PR?
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Thank you- see i thought that (I'm applying afterall) but I thought it couldn't be right because now I don't see the point in the poll....
maybe I had far too much of a good weekend :o |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Sue
(Post 8842850)
Just as a matter of interest, can I ask what is behind this poll? Why have you started it and what is your standpoint? Normally when one starts a poll it's to encourage discourse and discussion, but you don't seem to have done that here.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=665354 http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=644360 |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Drell
(Post 8843199)
OK, I've had a tough weekend- what's PR?
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Re: PR should be stopped!
I would have taken PR to mean Proportional Representation as in the voting system.
it would appear to be a thread written by an immigrant who dosnt want any other immigrants here ?? You might be against skilled immigration for example, but I doubt anyone would be in favour of it being illegal to marry a foreigner, which by necessity would involve a period of PR status in either one country or another. |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by BMP
(Post 8843351)
I would have taken PR to mean Proportional Representation as in the voting system.
You have made an assumption about PR meaning permenant residency which the OP hasn't stated. If they did mean permenant residency that really doesn't make sense. PR in this sense is a status, not a route to a status. You might be against skilled immigration for example, but I doubt anyone would be in favour of it being illegal to marry a foreigner, which by necessity would involve a period of PR status in either one country or another. true but going off previous postings it a good assumption;) |
Re: PR should be stopped!
I think Public Relations should definitely be stopped.
BB |
Re: PR should be stopped!
I just did a Google Search of "the_gripmaster".
Interesting... HKA |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
(Post 8843382)
I think Public Relations should definitely be stopped.
BB |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by steve`o
(Post 8843261)
it would appear to be a thread written by an immigrant who dosnt want any other immigrants here ??
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=665354 http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=644360 Sadly ignoring the fact the lack of people on the flight will get the return leg cancelled and you stuck high and dry in some kip of an airport. |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Has anyone else noticed the "the grip master" seems to create these threads and then never has anything else to say on them.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8842789)
PR should be stopped. Anyone "for" or "against"?
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
(Post 8843382)
I think Public Relations should definitely be stopped.
BB |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by elaine42
(Post 8843554)
PR - in medical terms is per rectum!
:rofl: BB |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
(Post 8843382)
I think Public Relations should definitely be stopped.
BB
Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
(Post 8843558)
What about Private Relations ?
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Dorothy
(Post 8843599)
All relations should be stopped. Both private and public. Nobody needs to be having relations.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
PR=Permanent Residency
@Sue This poll is intended to find out how the people see foreigners coming to Australia. Julia Gillard is a foreigner herself. @steve`o 2 thumbs up! Yes, I am an immigrant myself. And I entered Australia after getting PR (offshore application). And a very premature conclusion of what my intentions are. @hollykimalan Wow! People googling my handle. I am in the limelight now! @Zambia Another premature comment. In life, there is always a victim. The reason you have a job is the exact reason why another person is unemployed. @mandymcqueen Yes. And now I have proved you are wrong. :P And now, my story... I moved here on PR visa last year. The reason I left my country to sell my skills to another country was because I wanted a better standard of living. More and more people are arriving here (as refugees, migrants, students who have the intention of applying for PR on fake professions, the list continues) but I don't see any comparative expansion in infrastructure. The transport system is getting chaotic and soon other things will follow. It seems things are getting exactly similar to my country of origin, where the same problems exist, the reason I left. As long as there is enough resources to support the increasing number of people, I would vote yes for PR. Also, I have come across many unqualified people who somehow managed to get PR, they don't deserve it. If they can't contribute, they are worse than cancer in the society. Lastly, what I would like to say is, the rules for getting PR is exploitable, and many unqualified people are exploiting these to get an entry. And this really pisses me off. Rules should be made more stringent and more background checks should be made. |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8843876)
Lastly, what I would like to say is, the rules for getting PR is exploitable, and many unqualified people are exploiting these to get an entry. And this really pisses me off. Rules should be made more stringent and more background checks should be made. It took me three years, a load of cash and a handfull of hoops to jump through to get my PR. And why are you so angry about it? Would you have exploited it if needed to get your 'foot in the door'? I would have |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by mandymcqueen
(Post 8843530)
Has anyone else noticed the "the grip master" seems to create these threads and then never has anything else to say on them.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8843876)
PR=Permanent Residency
@Sue This poll is intended to find out how the people see foreigners coming to Australia. Julia Gillard is a foreigner herself. @steve`o 2 thumbs up! Yes, I am an immigrant myself. And I entered Australia after getting PR (offshore application). And a very premature conclusion of what my intentions are. @hollykimalan Wow! People googling my handle. I am in the limelight now! @Zambia Another premature comment. In life, there is always a victim. The reason you have a job is the exact reason why another person is unemployed. @mandymcqueen Yes. And now I have proved you are wrong. :P And now, my story... I moved here on PR visa last year. The reason I left my country to sell my skills to another country was because I wanted a better standard of living. More and more people are arriving here (as refugees, migrants, students who have the intention of applying for PR on fake professions, the list continues) but I don't see any comparative expansion in infrastructure. The transport system is getting chaotic and soon other things will follow. It seems things are getting exactly similar to my country of origin, where the same problems exist, the reason I left. As long as there is enough resources to support the increasing number of people, I would vote yes for PR. Also, I have come across many unqualified people who somehow managed to get PR, they don't deserve it. If they can't contribute, they are worse than cancer in the society. Lastly, what I would like to say is, the rules for getting PR is exploitable, and many unqualified people are exploiting these to get an entry. And this really pisses me off. Rules should be made more stringent and more background checks should be made. |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Dorothy
(Post 8843924)
So how about we take away the PR of anyone who arrived within the last 2 years? That would solve some of the problems.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
I think the poll's suggestion is outrageous and silly. Lots of people live on Puerto Rico. What are they going to do if we stop PR? And where is Bacardi going to come from?
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8843876)
More and more people are arriving here (as refugees, migrants, students who have the intention of applying for PR on fake professions, the list continues) but I don't see any comparative expansion in infrastructure. The transport system is getting chaotic and soon other things will follow.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by hollykimalan
(Post 8843391)
I just did a Google Search of "the_gripmaster".
Interesting... HKA Did you find a large variety of exotic hand-crafted leather pre-wrapped golf grips and golf head covers? :lol: |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8843876)
PR=Permanent Residency
@Sue This poll is intended to find out how the people see foreigners coming to Australia. Julia Gillard is a foreigner herself. @steve`o 2 thumbs up! Yes, I am an immigrant myself. And I entered Australia after getting PR (offshore application). And a very premature conclusion of what my intentions are. @hollykimalan Wow! People googling my handle. I am in the limelight now! @Zambia Another premature comment. In life, there is always a victim. The reason you have a job is the exact reason why another person is unemployed. @mandymcqueen Yes. And now I have proved you are wrong. :P And now, my story... I moved here on PR visa last year. The reason I left my country to sell my skills to another country was because I wanted a better standard of living. More and more people are arriving here (as refugees, migrants, students who have the intention of applying for PR on fake professions, the list continues) but I don't see any comparative expansion in infrastructure. The transport system is getting chaotic and soon other things will follow. It seems things are getting exactly similar to my country of origin, where the same problems exist, the reason I left. As long as there is enough resources to support the increasing number of people, I would vote yes for PR. Also, I have come across many unqualified people who somehow managed to get PR, they don't deserve it. If they can't contribute, they are worse than cancer in the society. Lastly, what I would like to say is, the rules for getting PR is exploitable, and many unqualified people are exploiting these to get an entry. And this really pisses me off. Rules should be made more stringent and more background checks should be made. I know I would!!! No way I would go, "No its ok, I have gone all this way through the process and yes you are right, my IELTS score was too low (complete as you see fit!!), I give up unreservedly and will discontinue this...oh....what....If I do what I can get PR?? How dare you sir, I am British and I play by the rules and ...where are all those people in that queue going????" |
Re: PR should be stopped!
G'day Gripmaster.
When one is pissed off, one does not always express oneself in a manner sufficiently eloquent to others. You can look at that in two ways. The author can say fook em, or perhaps he may wish he had stated his views in a different way. I don't mind either way as you are showing a passion in your words but I would have preferred to have seen them in your opening post. As to the topic you raise, yes, I believe there is something in what you say albeit it works both ways. I believe the Australian government have actually started to address some of the things you touch on: 1) reduction in required skills lists. 2) local education not automatically leading to PR. If you can accept true refugees have a place then the one area I feel is open to the largest abuse is family sponsorships and I have seen no evidence it is under review. Australia needs certain skills and grants PR visas for the import of those skills. However, there is a double-sided coin that I find very strange: 1) The hoop jumping done by so many to obtain a skills visa is oft for nought as they hit a brick wall of local licensing laws upon arrival. No-one would advocate for a person to be let loose immediately but there is one host of streamlining that could be put into place to allow a smooth transition. 2) The person is not compelled to use that skill and can decide to work in a totally different field. Both cases can lead to a failure in filling the particular skill shortage for which the visa was granted. Finally I would just add that I feel all rules and regulations are potentially exploitable in all areas of life. Continual vigilance and review is all that can be done in the hope of taking the lead over what are effectively fraudsters. |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Dorothy
(Post 8843924)
So how about we take away the PR of anyone who arrived within the last 2 years? That would solve some of the problems.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
i am on the side of it being stopped.
they just aint nice,but if your a bit of a falanderor like i once was,and yes i will hold my hands up i was... they should be banned... my chinese neighbor was kind enough to tell me what P.r means..and for any simpletons out there,,,,it means.. pubic rice..... |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Bix
(Post 8844500)
G'day Gripmaster.
When one is pissed off, one does not always express oneself in a manner sufficiently eloquent to others. You can look at that in two ways. The author can say fook em, or perhaps he may wish he had stated his views in a different way. I don't mind either way as you are showing a passion in your words but I would have preferred to have seen them in your opening post. As to the topic you raise, yes, I believe there is something in what you say albeit it works both ways. I believe the Australian government have actually started to address some of the things you touch on: 1) reduction in required skills lists. 2) local education not automatically leading to PR. If you can accept true refugees have a place then the one area I feel is open to the largest abuse is family sponsorships and I have seen no evidence it is under review. Australia needs certain skills and grants PR visas for the import of those skills. However, there is a double-sided coin that I find very strange: 1) The hoop jumping done by so many to obtain a skills visa is oft for nought as they hit a brick wall of local licensing laws upon arrival. No-one would advocate for a person to be let loose immediately but there is one host of streamlining that could be put into place to allow a smooth transition. 2) The person is not compelled to use that skill and can decide to work in a totally different field. Both cases can lead to a failure in filling the particular skill shortage for which the visa was granted. Finally I would just add that I feel all rules and regulations are potentially exploitable in all areas of life. Continual vigilance and review is all that can be done in the hope of taking the lead over what are effectively fraudsters. |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by brummy
(Post 8844519)
i am on the side of it being stopped.
they just aint nice,but if your a bit of a falanderor like i once was,and yes i will hold my hands up i was... they should be banned... my chinese neighbor was kind enough to tell me what P.r means..and for any simpletons out there,,,,it means.. pubic rice..... |
Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8844513)
How about we resurrect the mothers of all the people who contributed in discovering this aboriginal land and kill them? That way the aborigines would not have been deprived of their land.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
(Post 8844554)
But then the French or Spanish would have taken this country instead.
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by the_gripmaster
(Post 8843876)
Wow! People googling my handle. I am in the limelight now!
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by Hutch
(Post 8844599)
Having Australian parentage I couldn't honestly give two shits either way about the whole PR thing, but I just wanted to thank you for using the phrase 'my handle', as I instantly got a feel for the sort of bloke you are. Breaker breaker 10 4 good buddy. :lol:
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Re: PR should be stopped!
Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
(Post 8844554)
But then the French or Spanish would have taken this country instead.
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