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khokhar80 Jul 29th 2009 2:57 pm

Please answer Important Questions?
 
I have a few questions about newly arrived migrants in Australia under Subclass 175 GSM or 176 State Sponsored Skilled Visas.

1. What is waiting period for two years? Does this period applied on both Subclasses 175 &176 and does migrants are eligible to receive most social security payments?
2. Does social security payments includes i.e., rental assistance, education allowance, jobless allowance and children under 12 years allowance?
3. Does this mandatory for migrant to remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years if he has SS subclass 176 visa?
4. What are complete surveys for Subclass SS 176 visa?

Moderators please shed some lights on the above questions with their experience. Thanks

Cheers

Pollyana Jul 29th 2009 3:14 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7796810)
I have a few questions about newly arrived migrants in Australia under Subclass 175 GSM or 176 State Sponsored Skilled Visas.

1. What is waiting period for two years? Does this period applied on both Subclasses 175 &176 and does migrants are eligible to receive most social security payments?
2. Does social security payments includes i.e., rental assistance, education allowance, jobless allowance and children under 12 years allowance?
3. Does this mandatory for migrant to remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years if he has SS subclass 176 visa?
4. What are complete surveys for Subclass SS 176 visa?

Moderators please shed some lights on the above questions with their experience. Thanks

Cheers

Moderators are here to moderate.
If we know the answer we may post on t but you would be better fof asking for answers from other posters on this type of visa rather than for answers from us.

aman_sharma2k1 Jul 29th 2009 4:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 7796848)
Moderators are here to moderate.
If we know the answer we may post on t but you would be better fof asking for answers from other posters on this type of visa rather than for answers from us.

Chill Pollyana...don't hit him so hard...I know he did a mistake by taking Moderators name.....please forgive him :rofl:


:rolleyes::wub:

bannie Jul 29th 2009 5:03 pm

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Originally Posted by aman_sharma2k1 (Post 7796992)
Chill Pollyana...don't hit him so hard...I know he did a mistake by taking Moderators name.....please forgive him :rofl:


:rolleyes::wub:

:rolleyes::wub: Ya please forgive him

moneypenny20 Jul 29th 2009 6:15 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 
She wasn't having a go, she was simply explaining that Mods on here don't do the same job as mods on other forums. Many people new to this site don't realise we are not 'experts'. We're good but we're not THAT good ;)

romeosd Jul 29th 2009 6:42 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7796810)
I have a few questions about newly arrived migrants in Australia under Subclass 175 GSM or 176 State Sponsored Skilled Visas.

1. What is waiting period for two years? Does this period applied on both Subclasses 175 &176 and does migrants are eligible to receive most social security payments?
2. Does social security payments includes i.e., rental assistance, education allowance, jobless allowance and children under 12 years allowance?
3. Does this mandatory for migrant to remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years if he has SS subclass 176 visa?
4. What are complete surveys for Subclass SS 176 visa?

Moderators please shed some lights on the above questions with their experience. Thanks

Cheers

Moderators !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a mistake , you may read the site rules for not repeating such big mistake again.

aman_sharma2k1 Jul 29th 2009 6:43 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 7797200)
She wasn't having a go, she was simply explaining that Mods on here don't do the same job as mods on other forums. Many people new to this site don't realise we are not 'experts'. We're good but we're not THAT good ;)


I agree with you :thumbsup:

romeosd Jul 29th 2009 6:46 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 7797200)
She wasn't having a go, she was simply explaining that Mods on here don't do the same job as mods on other forums. Many people new to this site don't realise we are not 'experts'. We're good but we're not THAT good ;)

Really appreciate such nice response showing your apprecitation for forum's visitors as well, your answer is not aggressive at all and it looks really that you can see that the poster wouldn't mean anything wrong.

Just a question.

Thanks
Romeosd

Dorothy Jul 29th 2009 7:05 pm

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Originally Posted by romeosd (Post 7797275)
Moderators !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a mistake , you may read the site rules for not repeating such big mistake again.


Originally Posted by romeosd (Post 7797284)
Really appreciate such nice response showing your apprecitation for forum's visitors as well, your answer is not aggressive at all and it looks really that you can see that the poster wouldn't mean anything wrong.

Just a question.

Thanks
Romeosd

Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are getting at here. What was your question and what was the mistake?

khokhar80 Jul 29th 2009 7:09 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 
Dear Pollyana,

I am sorry and appologies that my question heart you. Really, I was not aware to ask like this question. Sorry once again and please delete my question. Thanks

moneypenny20 Jul 29th 2009 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7797345)
Dear Pollyana,

I am sorry and appologies that my question heart you. Really, I was not aware to ask like this question. Sorry once again and please delete my question. Thanks

She wasn't hurt. She was explaining as I explained. You require answers to your questions so the thread will remain and hopefully this misunderstanding will move on to people answering your questions.

romeosd Jul 30th 2009 3:01 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7796810)
I have a few questions about newly arrived migrants in Australia under Subclass 175 GSM or 176 State Sponsored Skilled Visas.

1. What is waiting period for two years? Does this period applied on both Subclasses 175 &176 and does migrants are eligible to receive most social security payments?
2. Does social security payments includes i.e., rental assistance, education allowance, jobless allowance and children under 12 years allowance?
3. Does this mandatory for migrant to remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years if he has SS subclass 176 visa?
4. What are complete surveys for Subclass SS 176 visa?

Moderators please shed some lights on the above questions with their experience. Thanks

Cheers

Dear khokhar80,

In brief and as per my little experience, you are not entitled for any payments before completing 104 weeks as permanent resident in OZ, I am talking about subclass 175 because I know less about the 176.

And below is the source of information you are looking for:

http://www.centrelink.gov.au/

Thanks
Romeosd

aman_sharma2k1 Jul 30th 2009 3:50 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7797345)
Dear Pollyana,

I am sorry and appologies that my question heart you. Really, I was not aware to ask like this question. Sorry once again and please delete my question. Thanks

:rolleyes::wub::rofl::rofl::rofl::rolleyes::wub:

wannabe in oz Jul 30th 2009 7:07 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7796810)
I have a few questions about newly arrived migrants in Australia under Subclass 175 GSM or 176 State Sponsored Skilled Visas.

1. What is waiting period for two years? Does this period applied on both Subclasses 175 &176 and does migrants are eligible to receive most social security payments?
2. Does social security payments includes i.e., rental assistance, education allowance, jobless allowance and children under 12 years allowance?
3. Does this mandatory for migrant to remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years if he has SS subclass 176 visa?
4. What are complete surveys for Subclass SS 176 visa?

Moderators please shed some lights on the above questions with their experience. Thanks

Cheers

you seem very interested in what benefits you can get and how quick you can get them, why is this? do you not intend to get a job and support yourself? or do you intend to scrounge of the state and see out your days as a freeloader,not working but wanting for nothing?

Zenshin Jul 30th 2009 8:30 am

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I have to agree with wannabe in oz. I can't believe that you considering the benefits you can receive. It really irks me when immigrants have this attitude. And I am a little annoyed at how easily the Australian government gives out money to those that really don't deserve it and then taxes everyone else rather highly (compared to other countries). I am about to find out the extent of it when I return to live there this year.

For the record, I am an Aussie who immigrated to the Uk on an ancestry visa and then became a permanent resident. In the 4years that I had my ancestry visa I was told it was on the condition that I had no recourse on public funds. This did not bother me as I didn't rely on public funds when I lived in Australia so I had no reason to believe I needed any in the UK either. I worked my butt off and set up my own company with my husband and have made a go of it.

I believe if you immigrate to a country you should be going because you are going to contribute to that countries economy not be a drain on it.

bjddavies Jul 30th 2009 8:53 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7796810)
I have a few questions about newly arrived migrants in Australia under Subclass 175 GSM or 176 State Sponsored Skilled Visas.

1. What is waiting period for two years? Does this period applied on both Subclasses 175 &176 and does migrants are eligible to receive most social security payments?
2. Does social security payments includes i.e., rental assistance, education allowance, jobless allowance and children under 12 years allowance?
3. Does this mandatory for migrant to remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years if he has SS subclass 176 visa?
4. What are complete surveys for Subclass SS 176 visa?

Moderators please shed some lights on the above questions with their experience. Thanks

Cheers

If you want to scrounge the Welfare System in Oz straight after arriving then you need to be on a refugee visa, otherwise it is a 2 year wait for unemployment benefit.

DownUnderPaddy Jul 30th 2009 9:42 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by khokhar80 (Post 7796810)
I have a few questions about newly arrived migrants in Australia under Subclass 175 GSM or 176 State Sponsored Skilled Visas.

2 years before you are entitled to anything but medicare I believe. The way it should be in fairness.

asprilla Jul 30th 2009 10:18 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 
I like this thread.

:D

wannabe in oz Jul 30th 2009 10:30 am

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Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 7799488)
I like this thread.

:D

why?

wannabe in oz Jul 30th 2009 10:39 am

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:D

Originally Posted by Zenshin (Post 7799207)
I have to agree with wannabe in oz. I can't believe that you considering the benefits you can receive. It really irks me when immigrants have this attitude. And I am a little annoyed at how easily the Australian government gives out money to those that really don't deserve it and then taxes everyone else rather highly (compared to other countries). I am about to find out the extent of it when I return to live there this year.

For the record, I am an Aussie who immigrated to the Uk on an ancestry visa and then became a permanent resident. In the 4years that I had my ancestry visa I was told it was on the condition that I had no recourse on public funds. This did not bother me as I didn't rely on public funds when I lived in Australia so I had no reason to believe I needed any in the UK either. I worked my butt off and set up my own company with my husband and have made a go of it.

I believe if you immigrate to a country you should be going because you are going to contribute to that countries economy not be a drain on it.

hi Zenshin, glad you agree. what part of oz are you from?:)

Zenshin Jul 30th 2009 10:41 am

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West is best my friend. Perth. Heading back in September all going well. Can't wait.

asprilla Jul 30th 2009 10:44 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by wannabe in oz (Post 7799514)
why?

First it was the few innocent words from Pollyanna that provoked a flurry of amusing responses....

...and now the old "welfare scroungers" debate has popped up. :p

wannabe in oz Jul 30th 2009 10:53 am

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Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 7799545)
First it was the few innocent words from Pollyanna that provoked a flurry of amusing responses....

...and now the old "welfare scroungers" debate has popped up. :p

do you not agree that the poster should get work and support themselves, instead of getting handouts.too many people just don't want to work which then costs the rest of us more.:thumbdown:
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wannabe in oz Jul 30th 2009 10:57 am

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Originally Posted by Zenshin (Post 7799540)
West is best my friend. Perth. Heading back in September all going well. Can't wait.

we're heading to Perth early oct to validate:thumbsup: does it come highly recommended?

Zenshin Jul 30th 2009 11:10 am

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Umm! Well maybe I am biased. There seems to be a couple of BE on here that don't really like Perth though God only knows why they are still there.

I love that it is a great place to raise your children. You don't necessarily have to have money to get out and do stuff in Perth with kids. I find it is a little harder to do that in the UK. Also if you get the chance Western Australia has some great places to explore both north and south of Perth.

asprilla Jul 30th 2009 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by wannabe in oz (Post 7799564)
do you not agree that the poster should get work and support themselves, instead of getting handouts.too many people just don't want to work which then costs the rest of us more.:thumbdown:
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Of course I agree with you. But often things aren't as black & white as you make out.

wannabe in oz Jul 30th 2009 11:23 am

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 
we hope to have a good look about in the 3 weeks we're there and try and cram as much in as possible for the kids but also try and get a look at schools and the work situation, not what benefits we may be able to get:rofl::rofl:

wannabe in oz Jul 30th 2009 11:37 am

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Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 7799611)
Of course I agree with you. But often things aren't as black & white as you make out.

what do mean 'as you make out'. surely if people are emmigrating they must be able to work and support themselves to be able to get visa in first place.so why the need to know about what benefits they may or may not get. when i was applying for mine i had to show qualifications and experience i had not what benefits i might be able to get.if these freeloaders didn't do what they do maybe we would'nt pay as much tax!!

asprilla Jul 30th 2009 12:08 pm

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Originally Posted by wannabe in oz (Post 7799642)
what do mean 'as you make out'. surely if people are emmigrating they must be able to work and support themselves to be able to get visa in first place.so why the need to know about what benefits they may or may not get. when i was applying for mine i had to show qualifications and experience i had not what benefits i might be able to get.if these freeloaders didn't do what they do maybe we would'nt pay as much tax!!

I'm sure you wouldn't be ranting and raving like this if you were injured, or lost your job, or some other unforeseen set of circumstances meant that you needed to rely on the state to help you through a bad patch.

Just because someone asks a question about benefits, doesn't mean that they are a freeloader.

silentwalker Jul 30th 2009 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by wannabe in oz (Post 7799642)
what do mean 'as you make out'. surely if people are emmigrating they must be able to work and support themselves to be able to get visa in first place.so why the need to know about what benefits they may or may not get. when i was applying for mine i had to show qualifications and experience i had not what benefits i might be able to get.if these freeloaders didn't do what they do maybe we would'nt pay as much tax!!

There could be many reasons for OP to ask the question. It might not be just as black and white as freeloader- not freeloader. Just because someone is asking about the benefits doesn't necessarily mean he/she is planning to live on them!

I remember when I was about to come here, I also looked for all my options including the benefits. For me it was like looking for a last resort - just in case I don't get a job. Obviously migrants aren't allowed anything for first two years, so it didn't matter anyway.

SalmanM Jul 30th 2009 2:08 pm

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Originally Posted by wannabe in oz (Post 7799642)
what do mean 'as you make out'. surely if people are emmigrating they must be able to work and support themselves to be able to get visa in first place.so why the need to know about what benefits they may or may not get. when i was applying for mine i had to show qualifications and experience i had not what benefits i might be able to get.if these freeloaders didn't do what they do maybe we would'nt pay as much tax!!

Hi, I would add the concerns shown by the host are fairly correct and no need to compare your own case. Of course if anyone gets 175 Visa, he's doing some reasonable job in his country and capable to contirbute Ozzies economy however, it's natural for several ones that they consider the worst case scenario, like what if dont get any job at all especially in recession, do i get any assistance then as there are no ways back. i had the same concerns after getting Ozzies PR and waiting for the right time

romeosd Jul 30th 2009 3:36 pm

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Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 7799697)
I'm sure you wouldn't be ranting and raving like this if you were injured, or lost your job, or some other unforeseen set of circumstances meant that you needed to rely on the state to help you through a bad patch.

Just because someone asks a question about benefits, doesn't mean that they are a freeloader.

You said what I wanted to say since the begining of this thread, beside if you are securiing food and housing for 6 months and you are searching for job all that time and you cannot find any opportunity for any reason. Should we be theives, or beg in streets, or return back to our country after loosing all our money we brought it to OZ.

For example, asking about the requierments of being president of OZ doesn't mean I am inteded to be, It is very normal question. And by any how, why to attack others for asking a question like that, it is something no breaking the site rules and it is a Legal benefit from the OZ goverment, so It would be better to send an inquiry to center link asking them why they are doing that and for sure they have answer for that question.

Thanks
Romeosd

aman_sharma2k1 Jul 30th 2009 3:55 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 
Dear Zenshin,

You got it totally wrong....Every migrant who is going to some other country should know all this...this poster never said he does not want to work or something like this ..but he wants all the knowledge...

I am also AUS PR holder and even I am interested in all the benifits for what I am eliigible..this does not mean that I indent to drain the public funds. Its just that I should have knowledge .. You never know what's there is future..and what will come on the way..so knowledge is must...

May be you were lucky and you worked your butt off and opened a new company..I appreciate that..but All people are no so lucky...They may face some unexpected situations in a country where they have just arrived and they may need help from that country for which they left their home land..

So please don't take it wrong...Poster and even I am also interested in the benfits those we can get when we arrive in the new country..afterall we all gonna contribute to that country's economy and growth...




Originally Posted by Zenshin (Post 7799207)
I have to agree with wannabe in oz. I can't believe that you considering the benefits you can receive. It really irks me when immigrants have this attitude. And I am a little annoyed at how easily the Australian government gives out money to those that really don't deserve it and then taxes everyone else rather highly (compared to other countries). I am about to find out the extent of it when I return to live there this year.

For the record, I am an Aussie who immigrated to the Uk on an ancestry visa and then became a permanent resident. In the 4years that I had my ancestry visa I was told it was on the condition that I had no recourse on public funds. This did not bother me as I didn't rely on public funds when I lived in Australia so I had no reason to believe I needed any in the UK either. I worked my butt off and set up my own company with my husband and have made a go of it.

I believe if you immigrate to a country you should be going because you are going to contribute to that countries economy not be a drain on it.


aman_sharma2k1 Jul 30th 2009 3:58 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 

Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 7799697)
I'm sure you wouldn't be ranting and raving like this if you were injured, or lost your job, or some other unforeseen set of circumstances meant that you needed to rely on the state to help you through a bad patch.

Just because someone asks a question about benefits, doesn't mean that they are a freeloader.


I agree with you!!! You never know what's on your way in future.

DownUnderPaddy Jul 30th 2009 6:05 pm

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Originally Posted by romeosd (Post 7800024)
You said what I wanted to say since the begining of this thread, beside if you are securiing food and housing for 6 months and you are searching for job all that time and you cannot find any opportunity for any reason. Should we be theives, or beg in streets, or return back to our country after loosing all our money we brought it to OZ.

Yes. Good point. It should never get to that stage I would hope.

By understanding in advance that a PR visa holder will not get access to any unemployment assistance for a period of 2 years, it puts the onus on the immigrant to research the cost of food and housing and to ensure they have the funds in their bank account to support themselves independently for a worst case scenario of 2 yearys of unemployment.

People should not 'gamble' with their futures by immigrating without having a clear plan for the 'worst case' scenario.

Asking the questions that people are asking here is merely a way for them to do their full research in this regard. Good for them. Better then some who have not bothered to do their 'homework' only to come over to Australia and be completely disillusioned and returne to their country of origin with broken dreams.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best. It's an age old proverb that servers as very good advise.

SalmanM Jul 30th 2009 6:16 pm

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Originally Posted by aman_sharma2k1 (Post 7800048)
Dear Zenshin,

You got it totally wrong....Every migrant who is going to some other country should know all this...this poster never said he does not want to work or something like this ..but he wants all the knowledge...

I am also AUS PR holder and even I am interested in all the benifits for what I am eliigible..this does not mean that I indent to drain the public funds. Its just that I should have knowledge .. You never know what's there is future..and what will come on the way..so knowledge is must...

May be you were lucky and you worked your butt off and opened a new company..I appreciate that..but All people are no so lucky...They may face some unexpected situations in a country where they have just arrived and they may need help from that country for which they left their home land..

So please don't take it wrong...Poster and even I am also interested in the benfits those we can get when we arrive in the new country..afterall we all gonna contribute to that country's economy and growth...


Very well explained all the concerns of new comers

Thanks Aman

Ajay.Venk Jul 30th 2009 7:46 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 
hey Aman i agree with u.

Guys can we get medicare benefits with in initial 2 years in 176 sub class visa?
pls enlighten me?

Thanks,

Ajay

aman_sharma2k1 Jul 30th 2009 8:01 pm

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YEs Ajay...As a PR holder, you are entitled for the medical benifits...ie..Medicare..


Originally Posted by Ajay.Venk (Post 7800404)
hey Aman i agree with u.

Guys can we get medicare benefits with in initial 2 years in 176 sub class visa?
pls enlighten me?

Thanks,

Ajay


Zenshin Jul 30th 2009 9:00 pm

Re: Please answer Important Questions?
 
Not sure if the laws have changed but we have a family friend who was Indonesian and in order for him to get into Australia with his 6 kids he had to have $500k sitting in a bank account before coming.

Surely if you are going to immigrate to a new country where you don't know if things will work out you should have some substantial savings behind you like at least a years wages and not use it as soon as you land. It would then also give you enough to go back should you feel it was not working out.

I doubt you would call what I have been through in the UK with founding my own company as lucky. Luck does not come into it but sheer determination that I would not fail. We have hit every obstacle imaginable but found ways around it without resorting to public funds. My motto is "If you fail to plan, then you plan to fail!"

Don't rely on social security to back you up but your own funds.

wannabe in oz Jul 31st 2009 7:04 am

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Originally Posted by Zenshin (Post 7800653)
Not sure if the laws have changed but we have a family friend who was Indonesian and in order for him to get into Australia with his 6 kids he had to have $500k sitting in a bank account before coming.

Surely if you are going to immigrate to a new country where you don't know if things will work out you should have some substantial savings behind you like at least a years wages and not use it as soon as you land. It would then also give you enough to go back should you feel it was not working out.

I doubt you would call what I have been through in the UK with founding my own company as lucky. Luck does not come into it but sheer determination that I would not fail. We have hit every obstacle imaginable but found ways around it without resorting to public funds. My motto is "If you fail to plan, then you plan to fail!"

Don't rely on social security to back you up but your own funds.

well said Zenshin. i myself am self-employed and have been for a few years, if i get sick i don't get sick pay, if i get injured at work, unlucky, if i want to take a holiday, guess what? no holiday pay. i have to plan ahead and keep control of my finances. i've never been on state benefits, is that down to luck or bloody hard work. i also pay an insurance policy every month just incase something serious does happen that will keep my head above water,just. not sure if original poster has moved yet but i just thought it strange to ask how many benefits and how long before they can get them:confused:. to me it comes across they will work for 2years then hey ho i need benefits of ever kind please. thankyou. but i might wrong:rofl:


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