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Well...What if you land up in a new country and get sick before you could get a job..or something else bad happen to you before you could WELL plan...then what will you do? Offcourse you will have some back money to cover you back..but what if your cannot get out of that bad situation very soon...at that don't you think so it would have been better if you would have searched some information about benefits you could get from govt.? after all if a country is allowing you to come to their country and work, live and benifit their economy...that govt has some liabilites towards you...they cannot just say..ohh..come ...but u are alone..either you PLAN WELL (like you did)..or DIE....

I don't see any fishy thing poster asking for this information..He is (even I am) gonna leave his country behind, his family, his job and going to land up in a country where he does not know anyone and in case of something bad happens to him..he must know what are the possible wayouts to get out of that situation...Poster never said he does not wana work or someting like this..he just asked few question for information..and even me ( I am sure other posters also, who are gonna leave they country behind ) are interested in the posters questions....

So if you don't have answers to his questions, don't tell him not to ask questions..he has all the rights to ask questions and also to get the benifits (whatever govt will provide to him) when he lands in Ozz...

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:huh:i never once told him not to ask questions

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The only person responsible for your own welfare is yourself! The government should stay out of healthcare etc and stick to law and order and the military.

If you want healthcare, get insurance or pay for it...the same as any other service. If you want a payout if you lose your job, purchase unemployment insurance. If you want kids, ensure you have the money to support them or practice safe sex. The individual should be soley responsible for themselves. Those who put the effort in will get the rewards. Those who want to bum around can do....but a bum they will remain. As has been said, fail to plan then plan to fail.

Why should I take my hard earned cash, cash that I have worked hard for for the benefit of my family, to pay for somebody elses misfortune/ laziness?

I've moved to Aus and have no intention of using the benefits scheme. I plan ahead for the unforseen circumstances to ensure I have enough for my family in times of trouble. It'd be nice nice not to have to pay to ensure everybody else's as well. Socialism sucks.

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Just to add my bit....

I'm a Brit, on PR, working full time and earning over $100k... and I claim every possible cent I can. Why?, because I would be a bloody fool not to.

I pay a packet in tax and if the government feel that I should be getting some of that back in benefits because I have kids and my wife doesn't work then I would be stupid not to claim them.

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Given that you list your profession as a paramedic, that's an incredibly stupid point of view to have. What about people who can't pay?. When you rush to their aid are you going to start checking peoples insurance and if they don't have enough just kick them back into the gutter?.

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The more I read this, the more I hope that, in some shape or form it all goes horribly pear shaped for you... you would need to go a long way to see a more self centered and heartless post than yours. Nothing would serve you better than to be put into the position of having to rely on other people for help for a period of time. Perhaps then you wouldn't be so bloody arrogant.

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Why is it a stupid point of view? Why does my occupation have any effect on my ability to reason? Why do people think they have a right to free healthcare? Why not go the whole hog and say food is free? Wanna new 40" LCD? Have that free as well! Sure, all this free stuff sounds good in principal but somebody along the way has to pay for it and why should that be me or you? I don't know you, or the guy over the road. Why should I pay for his healthcare? Why should I support your kids? My responsibility should be for myself and my family and nobody else. The Government should not be giving benefits to the public and should be responsible only for things like law & order and the military. This way, we'd pay less taxes and have the extra to spend on personal insurances with the benefit of better services and competition between providers leading to sensible prices.

Look at the state of the Australian and UK health system. It is in a state of disrepair. Socialised medicine doesn't work and it has been proven many times the world over. As a Paramedic, I am regularly stood with a patient in the ED corridors for many hours whilst waiting for a bed. My record so far is 6 hours. The standing about doesn't bother me but it strikes me that the system can't cope and the reason is clear....lack of funds. The only way it'll improve is to privatise it. The problem is, the Goverment (UK/ Aus/ many others) has went donwn the path of socialism and there's a large amount of people now receiving benefits that it'd be political suicide to ever think of changing it. It's a sinking ship I tell ya.

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Answer my question... what happens to those who can't pay?.

What happens to YOUR family if you become long term sick or permanently disabled?... and don't spout some bullshit about insurance because it won't cover you long term...
In your scenario the old, the sick and the disabled are sent to the wall and left to die... and if that really is your opinion on what should happen then you are in the wrong job.

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It's not arrogance, it's the fact that I have planned sufficiently to be confident I can provide for my family without having to beg for help. Humans have survived millions of years by looking after themselves...certainly more than they have over the last 100 years or so of socialism! I don't live beyond my means. I don't lavishly spend my spare cash and borrow from banks to live a lifestyle that cannot continue to be funded should the worst happen. I have no credit or loans. I have plenty of savings and insurances to cover pretty much any eventuality.

Yes, I begrudge working as hard as I do to provide for people that I don't know. I am in a unique position in that I get to see much more of where my taxes go than most people. I go into people's homes on a daily basis and find people with no jobs living it up with lavish lifestyle. 50" TV's, 4 kids, XBox's and playstations in every room. Using the "social" used to be a safety net...an absolute last resort when times are hard. With the current generation, it is a lifestyle choice and not a safety net. I spoke to a young girl (16) not too long ago. She told me she was trying to get pregnant. When I asked why, she said she'd get a free apartment :blink:

And please, don't judge me when you know nothing about me. I have done more voluntary work in the community than you can ever hope to imagine....from providing my time in helping the homeless in shelters to providing my services as a Paramedic to an Air Ambulance charity.

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Answer my question, why is it up to me to provide for you, your neighbour or the guy over the road?

Let me put you straight on one point. If you think that those of us in healthcare do it because we have some sort of "calling", then you are very wrong. We go to work because it is something we enjoy, are good at and it pays for what we do in our time off. So please, stop insinuating that I am in the wrong job :thumbdown:. I am very good at my job - I do it professionally, non judgementally, with compassion and respect for all....a fact all my references and letters of appreciation will attest to. If you ever needed any help you can bet your ass you'd want me turning up to help you.

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Before Medicare everyone had private cover and as it was universal the cost was easily afforded, also you were completely covered ie no out of pocket expenses. Those who were pensioners, all types of pensions, and those out of work had free healthcare. In my opinion it was a much better system than we have now.

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Your other comments in this thread suggest that you are incapable of compassion for anybody other than yourself... and that's what I meant by being in the wrong job... not that the health professionals do it as a calling but that its a profession that requires a certain amount of empathy for others. If a society that actually pools its resources and attempts to take care of the weakest in its midst is going to be called "Socialist" then you can call me Karl Marx from now on.

If you truly believe in a "survival of the fittest" approach to life then you are one sad sorry example of a human being.

This is the wrong board, and thread, for this sort of discussion so I will take it no further.

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iamthecreaturefromuranus, you have been pretty personal in all your comments to me so far yet I have tried to keep things away that. You openly admit to earning $100k and still choose to claim benefits because you feel you are entitled to them. If you cannot get by without benefits when you earn $100k then you are clearly living beyond your means. I earn less than that and my partner isn't working yet we manage just fine. There's many others on the board earning significantly less than that and would like all the cash they earn to be available for use on their own family....not to supplement your income. Why should us lower earners pay for your lifestyle?

You my friend are the biggest hippocrite going....you are happy to claim benefits that you don't need but feel you are entitled to them, so do so anyway, all whilst spouting bullshit "what about those who have nothing"? If you and people like you didn't abuse the system, maybe it wouldn't be in the state it is?

You have a vested interest in maintaining a benefit system as your are using it yourself. You'll never see my point of view as it's not in your interest. This is what I mean when I say the government could never withdraw it now that people are using it...it would be political suicide.

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Not getting into this argument but I would like to point out Iam did not say he was claiming because he was entitled to. He said he claimed for such things because the government are of the opinion that in his circumstances they are ready and willing to give something back. As he said, he would be a fool not to. At no point did he say he was living beyond his means.

I suggest you both read what the other writes and there would be less argument.

None of this is helpful to the OP anyway so if you could stop now, both of you, I'd be grateful.

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OK.. one last time.

Its the government that says I'm entitled to the benefits I get, not me.. they amount to $48.62 per week. To put that in perspective, I have been in Oz about three and a half years and in that time I have paid roughly $212,000 in direct taxation alone... by my calculations my taxes are probably paying to keep your sorry arse in work.

On your system I would be MASSIVELY better off and you would probably be destitute as no private health system would pay for the likes or paramedics to sit on their backsides for large parts of the day waiting to rush to the aid of somebody who might not be covered by insurance, or, even worse, covered by somebody else's insurance.

Your utopian medical system is pretty close to that of the US. A system so corrupt and failing that everybody, apart from the health insurance industry of course, in the US agrees is in need of massive reform. A reform that will almost certainly move it closer to the systems of the UK and Oz.

Show me one country in the world that has adopted policies even close to those you are advocating, where only the strongest survive and the weak and sick are left to fend for themselves.

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Sorry, cross posted. I won't be involved in this thread anymore.

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I have a far more serious question thats haunted me for years.

Why do you press harder on the buttons of a remote control when you know the batteries are dead? :confused:

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Because there's always that glimmer of hope.......... Never say die Rodney :lol:

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Looks like you should be the part of Govt. and make policies where govt should not care about the people... Your thinking sucks...

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If you work you pay for EVERYTHING, if you dont work the state provides for you........so what's the incentive in working.

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The incentive is that working generally allows you more opportunities, with a higher income, that just benefits.

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You working?. If you are, just give it up and let the State provide for you. Then come back and tell us all what a great life you have living on State benefits.

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Well said.... the unemployment benefits are so low - guess they might [and rightly so] just about put food on your table and a roof over your head.

You can't really "live" on benefits indefinitely. And if people are living it up whilst claiming dole then it appears they must be cheating the system (that is clearly fraud)

TheotherPhil - are you saying you never claim FTA, FTB, Childcare benefits even if you're entitled to them? Wow:blink:

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Hi guys,

Is VIC government provide initial accommodation for new migrants who is on VIC -176?

Any idea Pls,

Thanks,
Ajay

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No.

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Short and sweet. :)

VIC and the Australian Gov for that matter, will supply you with pretty much nothing. You are granted a visa on the basis that you will be a cost benefit to the Australian economy, not a drain. If you can't make it on your own then ideally I think the Australian government and people as well, would prefer you left.

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but south Australian government provide initial accommodation for new immigrants for 3 month of limited period.So VIC do nothing?

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South Australia is the only State that offers that facility.

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... and do they actually provide it for 'real' or is it just one of these things that exists on paper but is almost impossible to get in the real world?.

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They provide real.One of my friends hv used it in real life.

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Your friend was very lucky indeed. When we applied we were told that thousands of people apply for it but only a very few actually are granted OAA. Besides, the accommodations are nothing to write home about! The house we had was very old, very basic and in a not-so-good area of the city.

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It is real, as long as they have empty housing commission properties available at the time.

It is only available to skilled migrants, and it is NOT free.

They give no guarantees, and I have heard of some people that have been told, 7 days before they arrived, that they have none spare, and then need to find a hotel quickly.