Perth a personal view
Sep 10th 2005 | 12:12 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by sponge bob
Well, i know before i start that this will upset people but its the facts has i see them.
Originally Posted by sponge bob
...the road network is has busy has any major city in the world at peak times
Going by content of the rest of the post, I'm not really surprised anyway.
Do get a life, and leave the rest of us to make our own decisions/opinions about the places we chose to live in,
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Sep 10th 2005 | 12:25 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Maybe he was educated at one of those posh schools in the South and it is the northerners that done understand his proper English!!!
Sep 10th 2005 | 12:28 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by manxfamily
Maybe he was educated at one of those posh schools in the South and it is the northerners that done understand his proper English!!!
Sep 10th 2005 | 12:41 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by Jamiem
so what you're saying is the people who (in your opinion) make a go of it are...
"from run down northern cities terraced housing and inner city schools , perth gives them a bit more space a newer home good weather and they accept its bad points because of this. They seem to think good food is cheap food, good houses are bigger houses etc etc. "
I am from said "run down northern cities with terraced housing".
I sincerely hope you never fall upon hard times, because you wouldn't have a hope in hell of surviving. As you are obviously better than everybody else, then perhaps you should consider buying a small island somewhere, and living on that, away from all the plebs and dullards.
Warm regards,
Jamie
"from run down northern cities terraced housing and inner city schools , perth gives them a bit more space a newer home good weather and they accept its bad points because of this. They seem to think good food is cheap food, good houses are bigger houses etc etc. "
I am from said "run down northern cities with terraced housing".
I sincerely hope you never fall upon hard times, because you wouldn't have a hope in hell of surviving. As you are obviously better than everybody else, then perhaps you should consider buying a small island somewhere, and living on that, away from all the plebs and dullards.
Warm regards,
Jamie
Sep 10th 2005 | 12:47 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by sponge bob
First i have to mention housing , everybody out here seems totaly obsessed with the housing market
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309029
Originally Posted by sponge bob
prices have been booming for a long time now land prices are high ( this in a country with unlimited land ) and building costs are the same.
Originally Posted by sponge bob
while we pondered this we started to take a look at the quality of the house we were renting and the others of friends and those around and nearby.They are very poorly finished off the work is not what you would accept back in the uk
Seems to me we have a person here who doesn't really know what they want, and is just moaning about things that they can't really justify....
Sep 10th 2005 | 1:14 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
It's good to see that people in here respect the views of others!
It's worse that primary in here for all the bickering! And then people post questions like 'Why don't posters hang around here any more?'
Thanks for your honesty sponge bob - I hope things work out for you no matter what you choose do!
It's worse that primary in here for all the bickering! And then people post questions like 'Why don't posters hang around here any more?'
Thanks for your honesty sponge bob - I hope things work out for you no matter what you choose do!
Sep 10th 2005 | 1:34 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Sponge Bob, sorry to hear Perth hasn't met up to your expectations, but you should stop comparing it to the UK. We are after all in a different country, we should be open to change and differences.
Yes, many houses are built to a different standard, but they can be improved on & in my opinion have some better features (e.g I love the fact most have en suites to the master bedroom, I also like the separate laundry room, under cover areas outside etc.).
The weather. Well, it would be boring to have 12 months of 35+. The winter does get cold, but you don't tend to have days on end of grey skies, you may get a couple of grey rainy days, then one or two of beautiful sunshine where you can still go out & do things. The rain never seems to last all day like it can in the UK, a decent downfall then you get a break.
Education. Very different to the UK yes, but don't forget standards vary considerably from school to school like in the UK. You may just have not found the right school for your children. A lot less emphasis seems to be placed on academic achievement, but the curriculum is much more varied to cater for the whole child. My son, for example (now Year 5), has had cookery lessons, dancing, swimming, Italian etc. which he wouldn't have had in his equivalent UK school yet, plus of course a lot more sport - quantity & variation.
Food - I have to disagree about the quality of food. No, you can't buy as many ready made meals and some food is different, but I think the fresh produce is superior to the UK's. You soon get used to it & I've learned to cook so much more since I've been here. Plus the kitchen joins the family room, so whilst I'm cooking I can still watch TV or chat away, I'm not stuck in a kitchen by myself!
How long have you been here SB? Give it a fair go & you honestly do get used to things if you really want to be here. You havent mentioned any of the positives. What about the great beaches, stunning scenery, the wildlife?
Loopy
Yes, many houses are built to a different standard, but they can be improved on & in my opinion have some better features (e.g I love the fact most have en suites to the master bedroom, I also like the separate laundry room, under cover areas outside etc.).
The weather. Well, it would be boring to have 12 months of 35+. The winter does get cold, but you don't tend to have days on end of grey skies, you may get a couple of grey rainy days, then one or two of beautiful sunshine where you can still go out & do things. The rain never seems to last all day like it can in the UK, a decent downfall then you get a break.
Education. Very different to the UK yes, but don't forget standards vary considerably from school to school like in the UK. You may just have not found the right school for your children. A lot less emphasis seems to be placed on academic achievement, but the curriculum is much more varied to cater for the whole child. My son, for example (now Year 5), has had cookery lessons, dancing, swimming, Italian etc. which he wouldn't have had in his equivalent UK school yet, plus of course a lot more sport - quantity & variation.
Food - I have to disagree about the quality of food. No, you can't buy as many ready made meals and some food is different, but I think the fresh produce is superior to the UK's. You soon get used to it & I've learned to cook so much more since I've been here. Plus the kitchen joins the family room, so whilst I'm cooking I can still watch TV or chat away, I'm not stuck in a kitchen by myself!
How long have you been here SB? Give it a fair go & you honestly do get used to things if you really want to be here. You havent mentioned any of the positives. What about the great beaches, stunning scenery, the wildlife?
Loopy
Sep 10th 2005 | 1:54 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by DevMountain
It's good to see that people in here respect the views of others!
It's worse that primary in here for all the bickering! And then people post questions like 'Why don't posters hang around here any more?'
Thanks for your honesty sponge bob - I hope things work out for you no matter what you choose do!
It's worse that primary in here for all the bickering! And then people post questions like 'Why don't posters hang around here any more?'
Thanks for your honesty sponge bob - I hope things work out for you no matter what you choose do!
Sep 10th 2005 | 2:29 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by manxfamily
So its a north/south thing then. Okay for the working class but you and your southern nancies living in stockbroker belt are far too good for Australia. Well you know where the airport is.
The traffic here is not as bad, the air is much cleaner,you have to try this life for yourself, we love it here, yes my hubby does earn less money than the UK , good old plumber he is . I dont understand why people who are so unhappy stay, because if i was not happy i would go back, i came out with a budget, and said if it did not work out we would go back, i still have the money put away, but hopefully will use it on something else. Denise from the beautiful south west.
Sep 10th 2005 | 2:36 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by Xgeminix
Yes, I must say I'm also insulted about the northern comment. I was just wondering where you studied for your own education 'has' your spelling and grammar isn't the greatest? I was hoping Perth would offer slightly better.
Oh and I've lived in detached houses for the majority of my life on the edge of the Lake District including the village of Gosforth, a picturesque little village where tourists and hikers would visit every Sunday for cream teas to the local craft shop and cafe. This somewhat differs to your vision of the north!!, Which parts have you visited?
Oh and I've lived in detached houses for the majority of my life on the edge of the Lake District including the village of Gosforth, a picturesque little village where tourists and hikers would visit every Sunday for cream teas to the local craft shop and cafe. This somewhat differs to your vision of the north!!, Which parts have you visited?
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:44 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Hi Sponge bob
Sorry to hear that Perth did not live up to your expectations. What are you planning to do now? Are you going back to the UK or will you try a different part of Australia?
Rachel
Sorry to hear that Perth did not live up to your expectations. What are you planning to do now? Are you going back to the UK or will you try a different part of Australia?
Rachel
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:55 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by sponge bob
<snip>
...while we pondered this we started to take a look at the quality of the house we were renting and the others of friends and those around and nearby.
They are very poorly finished off the work is not what you would accept back in the uk .....
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...while we pondered this we started to take a look at the quality of the house we were renting and the others of friends and those around and nearby.
They are very poorly finished off the work is not what you would accept back in the uk .....
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When my brother moved to London in the late eighties he was living in a wimpey built house and the workmanship was appalling.The thing is that the UK has good builders and bad builders just like Perth and the rest of Australia has good builders and bad builders.
To categorise UK as always better or OZ as always better is a quantum step that cant possibly be made.
you get what you pay for so if you want a well built house with high finish standards you have to pay more, regardless of country or even which area within that country.
Anyway sorry to hear Perth is not for you SB, hope where ever you move to next is more to your liking.
Oh and make sure you research it thoroughly
Sep 10th 2005 | 5:02 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Honestly Sponge Bob.....are you secretly having a laugh and taking the opportunity to insult various groups of people at the same time, especially Northerners?? I thought all that went out in the eighties?
Anyway, sorry to hear you are fly-bound in Perth and hope things improve soon!
Anyway, sorry to hear you are fly-bound in Perth and hope things improve soon!
Sep 10th 2005 | 7:26 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by sponge bob
Well, i know before i start that this will upset people but its the facts has i see them. We came here looking for a better life and found that the grass is not always greener on the other side.
We picked Perth and not Brisbane because we thought the housing would be cheaper and it would not be so humid in the summer .
Well when we first got here everything seemed to be great just what we had hoped for. The weather was great the poeple were nice and there were plenty of jobs advertised. We have been here some time now and our views have changed alot. Tere are lots of jobs , the poeple are nice and the weather can be very nice indeed.ITS NOT ENOUGH from day one we have been told you wlll get used to this and you will get used to that, well thats the way we do it out here etc etc.
What this has really meant is that we are forced to accept lower standards in almost everything from education to food. from work place safety to employment rights, the list seems almost endless.
I know by now there will alot of poeple typing away to rubbish what i am saying but there are a lot of poeple that know what i am saying is true, so please read on and at least be aware of what ( i think ) awaits the hopeful immigrant, if he hasn`t researched has much has he should.
First i have to mention housing , everybody out here seems totaly obsessed with the housing market , prices have been booming for a long time now land prices are high ( this in a country with unlimited land ) and building costs are the same. At first we rented a house very large with a lot of land and all brand new. We thought this was great and began to think it would be wise to build our own new house in Australia. But it soon began to dawn on us that we would have to compomise where we wanted to build because of land prices and while we pondered this we started to take a look at the quality of the house we were renting and the others of friends and those around and nearby.
They are very poorly finished off the work is not what you would accept back in the uk yet they still run into hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Then we come to the education of our children , IT JUST MAKES ME WANT TO CRY why o why did i ever complain about schools back in the UK.I don`t see the point of going into this any further other to say you should really look into it yourself if you think the education of your children is important.
Then there is work lots of jobs about but they are nearly all in the city area which means traveling , the road network is has busy has any major city in the world at peak times, the driving ability of most of your fellow comuters is .......... well you decide when you drive from the airport .
so why do so many people come here and why do so many people stay? ( this is going to upset a lot of people i suppose ). A lot of migrants come to perth from the Uk looking for a better life and for the most part seem to find it. They come from run down northern cities terraced housing and inner city schools , perth gives them a bit more space a newer home good weather and they accept its bad points because of this. They seem to think good food is cheap food, good houses are bigger houses etc etc.
To sum it up I would have to say that in general we have had to accept lower standards in almost everthing , if you lived in a small teerraced house in a big city in the uk then it is paradise , if you live in a detached house in the country (uk ) then it is almost the opposite, on the whole the grass is not greener on the other side . People may say well its not for everyone and this is true , but before you come over think about what you have in the uk , the truth is you may be gambleing it all onthe promise of cheaper houses and sunshine, ( Well you get what you pay for in this life and it gets very clod hear in winter and very wet . )
just think before you leap, and good look which ever way you go.
We picked Perth and not Brisbane because we thought the housing would be cheaper and it would not be so humid in the summer .
Well when we first got here everything seemed to be great just what we had hoped for. The weather was great the poeple were nice and there were plenty of jobs advertised. We have been here some time now and our views have changed alot. Tere are lots of jobs , the poeple are nice and the weather can be very nice indeed.ITS NOT ENOUGH from day one we have been told you wlll get used to this and you will get used to that, well thats the way we do it out here etc etc.
What this has really meant is that we are forced to accept lower standards in almost everything from education to food. from work place safety to employment rights, the list seems almost endless.
I know by now there will alot of poeple typing away to rubbish what i am saying but there are a lot of poeple that know what i am saying is true, so please read on and at least be aware of what ( i think ) awaits the hopeful immigrant, if he hasn`t researched has much has he should.
First i have to mention housing , everybody out here seems totaly obsessed with the housing market , prices have been booming for a long time now land prices are high ( this in a country with unlimited land ) and building costs are the same. At first we rented a house very large with a lot of land and all brand new. We thought this was great and began to think it would be wise to build our own new house in Australia. But it soon began to dawn on us that we would have to compomise where we wanted to build because of land prices and while we pondered this we started to take a look at the quality of the house we were renting and the others of friends and those around and nearby.
They are very poorly finished off the work is not what you would accept back in the uk yet they still run into hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Then we come to the education of our children , IT JUST MAKES ME WANT TO CRY why o why did i ever complain about schools back in the UK.I don`t see the point of going into this any further other to say you should really look into it yourself if you think the education of your children is important.
Then there is work lots of jobs about but they are nearly all in the city area which means traveling , the road network is has busy has any major city in the world at peak times, the driving ability of most of your fellow comuters is .......... well you decide when you drive from the airport .
so why do so many people come here and why do so many people stay? ( this is going to upset a lot of people i suppose ). A lot of migrants come to perth from the Uk looking for a better life and for the most part seem to find it. They come from run down northern cities terraced housing and inner city schools , perth gives them a bit more space a newer home good weather and they accept its bad points because of this. They seem to think good food is cheap food, good houses are bigger houses etc etc.
To sum it up I would have to say that in general we have had to accept lower standards in almost everthing , if you lived in a small teerraced house in a big city in the uk then it is paradise , if you live in a detached house in the country (uk ) then it is almost the opposite, on the whole the grass is not greener on the other side . People may say well its not for everyone and this is true , but before you come over think about what you have in the uk , the truth is you may be gambleing it all onthe promise of cheaper houses and sunshine, ( Well you get what you pay for in this life and it gets very clod hear in winter and very wet . )
just think before you leap, and good look which ever way you go.
Smells of troll to me.........
Sep 10th 2005 | 7:45 pm
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Re: Perth a personal view
Originally Posted by sponge bob
Well when we first got here everything seemed to be great just what we had hoped for. The weather was great the poeple were nice and there were plenty of jobs advertised. We have been here some time now and our views have changed alot. Tere are lots of jobs , the poeple are nice and the weather can be very nice indeed.ITS NOT ENOUGH from day one we have been told you wlll get used to this and you will get used to that, well thats the way we do it out here etc etc.
Come on people, you can't call everyone a troll just because they don't find Australia to be perfect. Bob has posted his own feelings and experience, and certainly as far as the bit I have quoted, I agree with him.
What seems like paradise when you first arrive, may turn out to be somewhat less once you are used to living here.
I feel much the same in Brissie - the people are nice, the job is nice, the weather is (sometimes) nice, but iTS NOT ENOUGH! I don't know what the missing piece is, though I've tried very hard to find it.
Instead of nitpicking, or starting a north-south discussion, just try and understand what lies behind posts like this - one day you may find yourselves posting something similar.
