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Old Jun 1st 2011 | 8:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
If you think about it, money is never 'lost', it's just transferred to someone else
Bullshit!!! it isn't conservation of energy you know. Money can be created from nothing and it can be destroyed as well.
 
Old Jun 1st 2011 | 8:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
Exactly. The trick is to be one of the people who it's transferred to.
That depends on your appetite for risk. My main goal at the moment is wealth preservation (i.e. no net outward transfers) and a little gain.
 
Old Jun 1st 2011 | 9:24 pm
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Originally Posted by isgraham
Bullshit!!! it isn't conservation of energy you know. Money can be created from nothing and it can be destroyed as well.
No, that's called currency which is different to real money. There are only two forms of real money, gold and silver. You can't create gold or silver from nothing.
 
Old Jun 1st 2011 | 9:25 pm
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Originally Posted by isgraham
Bullshit!!! it isn't conservation of energy you know. Money can be created from nothing and it can be destroyed as well.
I would have to agree. Money, like Time, is a purely human and very abstract concept.....
 
Old Jun 1st 2011 | 9:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Steve2009
That depends on your appetite for risk. My main goal at the moment is wealth preservation (i.e. no net outward transfers) and a little gain.
The bigger the risk, the bigger the gain. If your looking for wealth preservation gold and silver is a safe bet.
 
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Originally Posted by DownUnderPaddy
I would have to agree. Money, like Time, is a purely human and very abstract concept.....
I actually just wrote a paper on the topic a few weeks back. Almost got full marks for it too! It's a significant issue in accounting, how to measure the 'value' of assets.
 
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Originally Posted by Steve2009
how to measure the 'value' of assets.
Divide it by the price of gold.
 
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
No, that's called currency which is different to real money. There are only two forms of real money, gold and silver. You can't create gold or silver from nothing.
Ah, but Gold and Silver are also not 'money'. They are simply metals that have been considered throughout history as 'precious', attracting a value as a consequence. In Roman times, soldiers were paid in salt ! It's all very arbitrary and comically human.
 
Old Jun 1st 2011 | 9:41 pm
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Originally Posted by DownUnderPaddy
Ah, but Gold and Silver are also not 'money'. They are simply metals that have been considered throughout history as 'precious', attracting a value as a consequence. In Roman times, soldiers were paid in salt ! It's all very arbitrary and comically human.
People used to exchange other items such as cattle as well. Cattle and salt are not money, just items to exchange as used in a barter society.

Gold and silver is money when it is minted into coins as a medium of exchange or used to back a currency because it is a store of value. A currency such as the dollar has no store of value and is backed usually by gold. A fiat currency isn't backed by anything and has zero value apart from what is inferred. In fact a dollar is nothing more than a promisary note; an IOU.
 
Old Jun 1st 2011 | 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Weebie
How is it laughable? Queensland was at UK unemployment rates before the floods, NSW is a debarcle and has been for years and I don't see much other than IT professionals interested in Sydney. Just working class moving to Perth.

Perhaps your laughing because you're an idiot.
The biggest city in qld wasn't at UK unemployment rates just the usual tourist areas suffering from the high dollar? Qld has massive projects coming reportable bigger than the WA gorgon project? All the talk is of skills shortages again.

Even McDonalds has resorted to FIFO

http://www.couriermail.com.au/busine...-1226064736559

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Old Jun 1st 2011 | 9:57 pm
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Australian's able to have high savings due to strong wages growth

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1226067488397

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Old Jun 1st 2011 | 10:37 pm
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Gold and silver are just tokens of money. A bit more substantial than a fiat note but still tokens. If someone refuses to take your gold in exchange for something like food or work then it becomes just a piece of metal.

Money can be destroyed.

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Originally Posted by Rambi
Gold and silver are just tokens of money. A bit more substantial than a fiat note but still tokens. If the someone refuses to take your gold in exchange for something like food or work then it becomes just a piece of metal.

Money can be destroyed.
People complain about the housing market being a ponzi scheme, it's nothing compared to the gold. What can you actually do with gold? You can't buy anything with it apart from maybe in some Asian countries or exchange it on the black market. Try offering it for sale other than in small quantities to the mint or a jewelers and you'll soon attract some interest from the authorities. Only thing it's good for is jewelry and making good headphone connections, and even gold jewelry is a bit chav these days.
 
Old Jun 2nd 2011 | 1:17 am
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Originally Posted by jimbo_d
People complain about the housing market being a ponzi scheme, it's nothing compared to the gold. What can you actually do with gold? You can't buy anything with it apart from maybe in some Asian countries or exchange it on the black market. Try offering it for sale other than in small quantities to the mint or a jewelers and you'll soon attract some interest from the authorities. Only thing it's good for is jewelry and making good headphone connections, and even gold jewelry is a bit chav these days.
What a load of rubbish. It is quite legal to own gold and it is quite legal to sell it. You obviously haven't heard of bullion dealers.

Australia is not America 50 years ago.
 
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Originally Posted by Rambi
Gold and silver are just tokens of money. A bit more substantial than a fiat note but still tokens. If someone refuses to take your gold in exchange for something like food or work then it becomes just a piece of metal.

Money can be destroyed.
Money stores value within itself whereas a fiat note (or currency) does not.
 


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