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eugene43 May 31st 2011 6:40 pm

Oz falling from high
 
looks like the dreaded recession is heading to oz. I feel sorry for the ones who have just come over hope they have return tickets.

phat-dave May 31st 2011 6:50 pm

Re: Oz falling from high
 
what are you blabbering about?

(i assume youre talking about the numbers out for the march quarter which every economist around australia & the world anticipated would be rubbish thanks to floods and cyclones that affected core gdp export areas?)

bcworld May 31st 2011 7:04 pm

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Originally Posted by phat-dave (Post 9401899)
what are you blabbering about?

(i assume youre talking about the numbers out for the march quarter which every economist around australia & the world anticipated would be rubbish thanks to floods and cyclones that affected core gdp export areas?)

It's not just the floods. It's the fact the economy is a bit of a one trick pony at the moment with most sectors stagnant at best. Retail, manufacturing, construction are all struggling.

The -1.2% was much worse than predicted.

eugene43 May 31st 2011 7:06 pm

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Originally Posted by phat-dave (Post 9401899)
what are you blabbering about?

(i assume youre talking about the numbers out for the march quarter which every economist around australia & the world anticipated would be rubbish thanks to floods and cyclones that affected core gdp export areas?)

Only like to hear good news then.

bcworld May 31st 2011 7:10 pm

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There won't be a recession though...the number next quarter will like be the same with + in front of it.

asprilla May 31st 2011 7:11 pm

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9401927)
It's not just the floods. It's the fact the economy is a bit of a one trick pony at the moment with most sectors stagnant at best. Retail, manufacturing, construction are all struggling.

The -1.2% was much worse than predicted.

Well personally I refuse to believe the published numbers. We're different in Australia.

I think that house prices will rise 20% this year, and 20% next year...:D

eugene43 May 31st 2011 7:15 pm

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Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 9401941)
Well personally I refuse to believe the published numbers. We're different in Australia.

I think that house prices will rise 20% this year, and 20% next year...:D

You most be a true australian through & through :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Deancm_MKII May 31st 2011 7:25 pm

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9401939)
There won't be a recession though...the number next quarter will like be the same with + in front of it.

Wait until the US dollar collapses.

Hotton May 31st 2011 7:31 pm

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This is the lucky country ,if we need more prosperity we just dig a hole in the earth and flog the stuff to the chinese,no way will we go the way of the UK with there social problems, mass unemployment and property crash . currency devaluation etc it just aint going to be sorry :thumbup:
so if you are thinking of relocating hear get used to it

Amazulu May 31st 2011 7:31 pm

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9401927)
The -1.2% was much worse than predicted.

Less, -1.4% was predicted

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1226067114993

Amazulu May 31st 2011 7:33 pm

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Originally Posted by eugene43 (Post 9401875)
looks like the dreaded recession is heading to oz. I feel sorry for the ones who have just come over hope they have return tickets.

Please define a recession. There is a definition for one and this is not it.

Next

bcworld May 31st 2011 7:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 9401974)

Last week it was -0.4 or so, later numbers weren't so much predictions as using the available data to work out the answer.

Beoz May 31st 2011 7:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Hotton (Post 9401973)
no way will we go the way of the UK with there social problems

That's a bold statement:p

Amazulu May 31st 2011 7:45 pm

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9401988)
Last week it was -0.4 or so, later numbers weren't so much predictions as using the available data to work out the answer.

Just goes to show that predictions don't mean shit

Hotton May 31st 2011 7:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 9401990)
That's a bold statement:p

Social problems as in London Manchester Glasgow Cardiff Essex etc Murder Unemployment drugs poverty and i guess someone will say Cabramatta parramatta
Logan etc but they are mild in comparison,

Amazulu May 31st 2011 7:47 pm

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WA grew 3.2% in the same quarter - 6.8% annually

pomtastic May 31st 2011 8:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 9401980)
Please define a recession. There is a definition for one and this is not it.

Next

A recession is 2 quarters of negative growth, you know, what WA is experiencing right now.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/wa_eco...VZbHopdO7E1WzN

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226034941282

aussietobe May 31st 2011 8:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Hotton (Post 9401973)
This is the lucky country ,if we need more prosperity we just dig a hole in the earth and flog the stuff to the chinese,no way will we go the way of the UK with there social problems, mass unemployment and property crash . currency devaluation etc it just aint going to be sorry :thumbup:
so if you are thinking of relocating hear get used to it

Reading this one thought comes to mind, these are the key words: giant.chip.shoulder.

phat-dave May 31st 2011 8:29 pm

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9401927)
It's not just the floods. It's the fact the economy is a bit of a one trick pony at the moment with most sectors stagnant at best. Retail, manufacturing, construction are all struggling.

The -1.2% was much worse than predicted.

I agree there are other industries struggling to get traction at present but my comments were to the OP suggesting to get on a plane head home, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Also, from the reports I've read; UBS, Macquarie & Deutsche all suggested the numbers were better than anticipated and the market responded with demand for AUD increasing thus pushing us to week highs.

cazza36 May 31st 2011 8:34 pm

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Originally Posted by eugene43 (Post 9401875)
looks like the dreaded recession is heading to oz. I feel sorry for the ones who have just come over hope they have return tickets.

well we have been here for 6 months!! love it and have never been so better off? Uk is failing fast, would never move back there. Australia is fab, people great and life style, prices always go up, but hey you cant buy life!!

eugene43 May 31st 2011 8:44 pm

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Originally Posted by cazza36 (Post 9402081)
well we have been here for 6 months!! love it and have never been so better off? Uk is failing fast, would never move back there. Australia is fab, people great and life style, prices always go up, but hey you cant buy life!!

sounds that you have been away longer than six months or your relatives are trying to make you feel good.

saintstu May 31st 2011 8:56 pm

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Originally Posted by eugene43 (Post 9401875)
looks like the dreaded recession is heading to oz. I feel sorry for the ones who have just come over hope they have return tickets.

What?!

I've been here for exactly 6 months today and work is plentiful, I'm earning more money than I ever did in the UK and everyone I meet is far more positive about things than back home.

The reason for the recent dip is unprecedented natural disasters.

The only problems I have is that it's finally started raining here and the football season is over!

Why are so many people on this forum so gloomy about things?

Pollyana May 31st 2011 9:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 9401990)
That's a bold statement:p

Specially as most of those social problems are already here

eugene43 May 31st 2011 9:26 pm

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Originally Posted by saintstu (Post 9402118)
What?!

I've been here for exactly 6 months today and work is plentiful, I'm earning more money than I ever did in the UK and everyone I meet is far more positive about things than back home.

The reason for the recent dip is unprecedented natural disasters.

The only problems I have is that it's finally started raining here and the football season is over!

Why are so many people on this forum so gloomy about things?

if it makes you feel better. You will a excellent ozzy keep on believing everything is rosey while the walls fall around you.

iamthecreaturefromuranus May 31st 2011 9:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Hotton (Post 9402008)
Social problems as in London Manchester Glasgow Cardiff Essex etc Murder Unemployment drugs poverty and i guess someone will say Cabramatta parramatta
Logan etc but they are mild in comparison,

I wonder how many armed robberies have taken place this year in, let say Manchester, compared to the Gold Coast?

quoll May 31st 2011 9:55 pm

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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9402167)
I wonder how many armed robberies have taken place this year in, let say Manchester, compared to the Gold Coast?

Dunno, how many policemen have been shot in the head in Manchester, compared with the Gold Coast?

Personally I am concerned at Australia's prospects - only because I have a horrible feeling of deja vue having lived here so long. We were riding high once before and then came a mighty fall which made living here very tough for quite a long while. I dont much like being so dependent on the Chinese because they do NOT have Australia's best interests at heart and if they can get what they want, cheaper, elsewhere and with less political interference and uncertainty then they will be off quicker than you can say Chop Suey.

I think many Aussies are going to be caught napping unfortunately.

quoll May 31st 2011 9:56 pm

Re: Oz falling from high
 

Originally Posted by saintstu (Post 9402118)
What?!

I've been here for exactly 6 months today and work is plentiful, I'm earning more money than I ever did in the UK and everyone I meet is far more positive about things than back home.

The reason for the recent dip is unprecedented natural disasters.

The only problems I have is that it's finally started raining here and the football season is over!

Why are so many people on this forum so gloomy about things?

Ah well, give it another 6 months and you might begin to see the light LOL

quoll May 31st 2011 9:58 pm

Re: Oz falling from high
 

Originally Posted by cazza36 (Post 9402081)
well we have been here for 6 months!! love it and have never been so better off? Uk is failing fast, would never move back there. Australia is fab, people great and life style, prices always go up, but hey you cant buy life!!

You're coming to Canberra? Hmm, you probably wont be so well off when you arrive here, housing is crazy expensive for starters.

Deancm_MKII May 31st 2011 10:09 pm

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Originally Posted by quoll (Post 9402206)
Dunno, how many policemen have been shot in the head in Manchester, compared with the Gold Coast?

Personally I am concerned at Australia's prospects - only because I have a horrible feeling of deja vue having lived here so long. We were riding high once before and then came a mighty fall which made living here very tough for quite a long while. I dont much like being so dependent on the Chinese because they do NOT have Australia's best interests at heart and if they can get what they want, cheaper, elsewhere and with less political interference and uncertainty then they will be off quicker than you can say Chop Suey.

I think many Aussies are going to be caught napping unfortunately.

Just wait until the carbon tax starts...

HelenTD May 31st 2011 10:15 pm

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Originally Posted by saintstu (Post 9402118)
The only problems I have is that it's finally started raining here and the football season is over!

Why are so many people on this forum so gloomy about things?

Thank Christ it's raining, only wish Perth drivers would adapt:ohmy:. For those of us with Aussie OHs, the football season is only a couple of months underway, 5 more months to go:eek:.

Amazulu May 31st 2011 10:27 pm

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Originally Posted by saintstu (Post 9402118)
Why are so many people on this forum so gloomy about things?

The million dollar question and a recurring theme on BE. Although this website is about emigrating to and living in Australia, it is generally anti-Australian - hence threads like this. Also, Poms, who make up the majority on here, are, overall, a pessimistic nation.

Reaver May 31st 2011 10:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 9402248)
The million dollar question and a recurring them on BE. Although this website is about emigrating to and living in Australia, it is generally anti-Australian - hence threads like this. Also, Poms, who make up the majority in here, are, overall, a pessimistic nation.

Unfortunately its not just Aus, its anywhere and everywhere. You only have to look at the Big 4, and there are people complaining about how bad it is in the country they have immigrated to (and yet they continue to keep living there) all the while telling others how they would be better off staying in the UK. A country those already chose to leave. I dont think any of us is naive enough to assume the grass is greener, but if we are here on these forums then we have our reasons for wanting to leave.

To quote my learned friend above "Same shit different bucket.." Sometimes a different bucket, a change in scenery, regardless of how good or bad things may be, is all you need to give youself a more positive outlook on life.

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Amazulu May 31st 2011 10:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Reaver (Post 9402268)
Unfortunately its not just Aus, its anywhere and everywhere. You only have to look at the Big 4, and there are people complaining about how bad it is in the country they have immigrated to (and yet they continue to keep living there) all the while telling others how they would be better off staying in the UK.

Well said and this is what a lot of BE is unfortunately, and I will never understand it but there it is.

Amazulu May 31st 2011 10:49 pm

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Originally Posted by quoll (Post 9402206)
Dunno, how many policemen have been shot in the head in Manchester, compared with the Gold Coast?

Don't make this terrible case a UK v Australia thing. This kind of incident is very rare in both countries and is not the norm.

HelenTD May 31st 2011 10:49 pm

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Originally Posted by saintstu (Post 9402118)
What?!

I've been here for exactly 6 months today and work is plentiful, I'm earning more money than I ever did in the UK and everyone I meet is far more positive about things than back home.

The reason for the recent dip is unprecedented natural disasters.

The only problems I have is that it's finally started raining here and the football season is over!

Why are so many people on this forum so gloomy about things?


Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 9402248)
The million dollar question and a recurring them on BE. Although this website is about emigrating to and living in Australia, it is generally anti-Australian - hence threads like this. Also, Poms, who make up the majority in here, are, overall, a pessimistic nation.

A lot depends on how well people are doing: you two are individuals who have stated that you are earning large amounts of money and live very comfortably, so there is every reason for you to be very happy with your lot in Australia, both, as it happens, in Perth. Others are not in the same position, so their outlook and experiences are very different and they are entitled to express their views. Neither of you have lived here for long and I doubt that you have experienced a downturn in the economy, Australian-style.

Amazulu May 31st 2011 10:51 pm

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Originally Posted by HelenTD (Post 9402289)
A lot depends on how well people are doing: you two are individuals who have stated that you are earning large amounts of money and live very comfortably, so there is every reason for you to be very happy with your lot in Australia, both, as it happens, in Perth. Others are not in the same position, so their outlook and experiences are very different and they are entitled to express their views. Neither of you have lived here for long and I doubt that you have experienced a downturn in the economy, Australian-style.

If you are unhappy with your situation do something about it - it ain't rocket science

bcworld May 31st 2011 10:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Reaver (Post 9402268)
Unfortunately its not just Aus, its anywhere and everywhere. You only have to look at the Big 4, and there are people complaining about how bad it is in the country they have immigrated to (and yet they continue to keep living there) all the while telling others how they would be better off staying in the UK.

It's more of an expat thing, than a British expat thing. I knew loads of Aussies in the UK for example who complained about everything (same kind of things people talk about on here;the COL, the weather, the anti-persperant, the broccoli!), but in the end tried to find ways to stay in the country longer.

HelenTD May 31st 2011 11:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 9402295)
If you are unhappy with your situation do something about it - it ain't rocket science

You've assumed that I was writing about myself, but I was referring to a huge segment of the population that are not as fortunate as you. Do you ever make any effort to understand the society and community you live in, or are you just too busy making money and spending it?

Amazulu May 31st 2011 11:23 pm

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Originally Posted by HelenTD (Post 9402315)
You've assumed that I was writing about myself, but I was referring to a huge segment of the population that are not as fortunate as you. Do you ever make any effort to understand the society and community you live in, or are you just too busy making money and spending it?

My reply was not directed at you but to BE in general. I was referring to the fact (raised by another poster) about the generally negative tone of this website. If you are unhappy with aspects of your life, do something about it and don't bitch and moan on the internet. I'm not going to change my point of view on this, so trying to debate it is pointless - let's agree to disagree.

mulben May 31st 2011 11:38 pm

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Originally Posted by pomtastic (Post 9402045)
A recession is 2 quarters of negative growth, you know, what WA is experiencing right now.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/wa_eco...VZbHopdO7E1WzN

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226034941282

Or another view
http://www.smartcompany.com.au/finan...ing-state.html
Meanwhile, a new CommSec report reveals Western Australia to be the best performing state in the country.
The report comes alongside a new CommSec report which reveals Western Australia is experiencing the strongest economic growth out of all the states, due to a strong job market and renewed demand for resources.


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