One for the IT nerds
Jun 24th 2003, 12:36 am
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One for the IT nerds
I know a good bricklaying course that would help you out , it looks less than bleak in IT here if this person is right.
Pathetic excuses
When is the Federal Liberal Party going to stop making excuses for its lack of vision for the IT industry over the past six years (Alston to sculpt our IT image, March 11)? In the interview with Senator Alston, all I could read was populist comments and pathetic excuses as to why we are so far behind other regions and countries such as Asia and Ireland, not to mention the USA.
Contrary to what the Senator has said, adopting high technologies in other Australian businesses is not an excuse for not creating them, and to put all imported goods into the low-cost commodity item basket is being ignorant and narrow-minded. There are still too many high valued-added goods being imported into Australia, to the detriment of balance of payments figures.
With regards to our lack of investment and interest in the semiconductor industries over the last 30 years, doesn't Alston understand the value of the semiconductor industry as a means of generating profits from intellectual property in the same way as the software industry does?
Hasn't he been informed of the fab-less model which a lot of American semiconductor businesses have adopted, where the wafer fabrication and chip assembly process is done by a third party so the main focus is on developing IP where the labour intensive and high risk manufacturing aspects of the business are left to others. Some successful examples of companies, which have adopted this approach, are Altera and Xilinx, both of which are listed on the Nasdaq.
I have worked in the Australian electronics industry for more than 15 years and can only say that as a degree qualified electronics engineer, I am totally disappointed with its progress and limited opportunities. Too my disillusionment, I have mainly worked for low-tech tin-pot electronics companies where, in most cases, the sole purpose of their existence has been for grab-as-much-money-as-you-can schemes for the owners when they finally sold their business off to an overseas concern, to the detriment of their loyal employees.
I would very much welcome the investment and presence of some serious, stable multinational companies in Australia, such as Intel or AMD for example, to provide long term, challenging and rewarding environments for existing and up-and-coming electronic engineering graduates. However, due to the lack of foresight and tax incentives provided by these current and previous governments, such careers can only be dreamed of. I have now moved away from the electronics industry due to lack of opportunities, and my time at university studying electronics to apply (so little of) what I learnt to this field has been a complete waste of tax payers money.
David Samborsky
Clayton, Victoria
Pathetic excuses
When is the Federal Liberal Party going to stop making excuses for its lack of vision for the IT industry over the past six years (Alston to sculpt our IT image, March 11)? In the interview with Senator Alston, all I could read was populist comments and pathetic excuses as to why we are so far behind other regions and countries such as Asia and Ireland, not to mention the USA.
Contrary to what the Senator has said, adopting high technologies in other Australian businesses is not an excuse for not creating them, and to put all imported goods into the low-cost commodity item basket is being ignorant and narrow-minded. There are still too many high valued-added goods being imported into Australia, to the detriment of balance of payments figures.
With regards to our lack of investment and interest in the semiconductor industries over the last 30 years, doesn't Alston understand the value of the semiconductor industry as a means of generating profits from intellectual property in the same way as the software industry does?
Hasn't he been informed of the fab-less model which a lot of American semiconductor businesses have adopted, where the wafer fabrication and chip assembly process is done by a third party so the main focus is on developing IP where the labour intensive and high risk manufacturing aspects of the business are left to others. Some successful examples of companies, which have adopted this approach, are Altera and Xilinx, both of which are listed on the Nasdaq.
I have worked in the Australian electronics industry for more than 15 years and can only say that as a degree qualified electronics engineer, I am totally disappointed with its progress and limited opportunities. Too my disillusionment, I have mainly worked for low-tech tin-pot electronics companies where, in most cases, the sole purpose of their existence has been for grab-as-much-money-as-you-can schemes for the owners when they finally sold their business off to an overseas concern, to the detriment of their loyal employees.
I would very much welcome the investment and presence of some serious, stable multinational companies in Australia, such as Intel or AMD for example, to provide long term, challenging and rewarding environments for existing and up-and-coming electronic engineering graduates. However, due to the lack of foresight and tax incentives provided by these current and previous governments, such careers can only be dreamed of. I have now moved away from the electronics industry due to lack of opportunities, and my time at university studying electronics to apply (so little of) what I learnt to this field has been a complete waste of tax payers money.
David Samborsky
Clayton, Victoria
Jun 24th 2003, 12:50 am
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Perhaps had David Samborsky have invented something useful he would see things in a different light.
Jun 24th 2003, 1:01 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
Perhaps had David Samborsky have invented something useful he would see things in a different light.
Perhaps had David Samborsky have invented something useful he would see things in a different light.
Jun 24th 2003, 2:33 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
True its hard being an educated Aussie when theres so many bricks to lay , you now have a downer on the locals.
True its hard being an educated Aussie when theres so many bricks to lay , you now have a downer on the locals.
Had David Samborsky successfully outwitted his international peers, he would not be projecting his failure on the Australian electronics industry at large.
Hopefully he will learn from from failure but at the moment he seems defeated and has yet to focus his energies in a productive direction.
Jun 24th 2003, 2:38 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
Electronics Intellectual Property is a globally very competetive field. To enter it you must know that you can be quicker on your feet than your peers around the world or accept a tradesmans life. There will be many more failures through out the world than successes.
Had David Samborsky successfully outwitted his international peers, he would not be projecting his failure on the Australian electronics industry at large.
Hopefully he will learn from from failure but at the moment he seems defeated and has yet to focus his energies in a productive direction.
Electronics Intellectual Property is a globally very competetive field. To enter it you must know that you can be quicker on your feet than your peers around the world or accept a tradesmans life. There will be many more failures through out the world than successes.
Had David Samborsky successfully outwitted his international peers, he would not be projecting his failure on the Australian electronics industry at large.
Hopefully he will learn from from failure but at the moment he seems defeated and has yet to focus his energies in a productive direction.
You say the guy should recrate the country he lives in , so one young guy should lead the clueless that rule the useless.
Jun 24th 2003, 2:46 am
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Who is this semiconductor anyway ?
Jun 24th 2003, 2:49 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Lets see where does Australia lead the world in any industry apart from hole digging , farming and Bull of which no other country comes near.
You say the guy should recrate the country he lives in , so one young guy should lead the clueless that rule the useless.
Lets see where does Australia lead the world in any industry apart from hole digging , farming and Bull of which no other country comes near.
You say the guy should recrate the country he lives in , so one young guy should lead the clueless that rule the useless.
Jun 24th 2003, 3:03 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
I say he should turn and face the situation in which he finds himself. The field of electronics is wide with plenty of scope for invention anywhere in the world. Currently, chip manufacturers around the world are loosing money. Yet there is great scope for new applications for these cheap chips.
I say he should turn and face the situation in which he finds himself. The field of electronics is wide with plenty of scope for invention anywhere in the world. Currently, chip manufacturers around the world are loosing money. Yet there is great scope for new applications for these cheap chips.
Your ' Ask not what your country can do for you ' , was great in a Rambo flim but not of any use to most.
PS immigration to the UK is the normal route for these guys as they wave to the brickies coming the other way.
http://www.intel.com/english/
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Jun 24th 2003, 5:02 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
R&D in Australia is third world as far as funding goes , the guy has more chance getting help on a Hairdressing Taffe course.
Your ' Ask not what your country can do for you ' , was great in a Rambo flim but not of any use to most.
PS immigration to the UK is the normal route for these guys as they wave to the brickies coming the other way.
http://www.intel.com/english/
R&D in Australia is third world as far as funding goes , the guy has more chance getting help on a Hairdressing Taffe course.
Your ' Ask not what your country can do for you ' , was great in a Rambo flim but not of any use to most.
PS immigration to the UK is the normal route for these guys as they wave to the brickies coming the other way.
http://www.intel.com/english/
"Aus is not a significant electronic chip maker."
and reserved for the occassion where someone had asked about it.
Jun 24th 2003, 5:22 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
Your posts could have been considerably shortened to:
"Aus is not a significant electronic chip maker."
and reserved for the occassion where someone had asked about it.
Your posts could have been considerably shortened to:
"Aus is not a significant electronic chip maker."
and reserved for the occassion where someone had asked about it.
Or to Quote the Guy
"Contrary to what the Senator has said, adopting high technologies in other Australian businesses is not an excuse for not creating them, and to put all imported goods into the low-cost commodity item basket is being ignorant and narrow-minded. There are still too many high valued-added goods being imported into Australia, to the detriment of balance of payments figures. "
Jun 24th 2003, 5:27 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Okay fine ,Australia is a hole digging nation that farms a bit and has to import most things that overseas companies can not be bothered to make here.
Or to Quote the Guy
"Contrary to what the Senator has said, adopting high technologies in other Australian businesses is not an excuse for not creating them, and to put all imported goods into the low-cost commodity item basket is being ignorant and narrow-minded. There are still too many high valued-added goods being imported into Australia, to the detriment of balance of payments figures. "
Okay fine ,Australia is a hole digging nation that farms a bit and has to import most things that overseas companies can not be bothered to make here.
Or to Quote the Guy
"Contrary to what the Senator has said, adopting high technologies in other Australian businesses is not an excuse for not creating them, and to put all imported goods into the low-cost commodity item basket is being ignorant and narrow-minded. There are still too many high valued-added goods being imported into Australia, to the detriment of balance of payments figures. "
Opportunity abounds
Perhaps if he tried setting up a business to replace these imports he just might eventually understand what he can not now grasp.
Jun 24th 2003, 5:35 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
We need look no further than our very own Dotty for inspiration:
Opportunity abounds
Perhaps if he tried setting up a business to replace these imports he just might eventually understand what he can not now grasp.
We need look no further than our very own Dotty for inspiration:
Opportunity abounds
Perhaps if he tried setting up a business to replace these imports he just might eventually understand what he can not now grasp.
Jun 24th 2003, 5:41 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Working for an Australia owned and run R&D company who manifacture overseas with German help, I have been told many a time Australia is not the place to do business or set up a plant , Europe and America are where the big boys are and where this company has to be.
Working for an Australia owned and run R&D company who manifacture overseas with German help, I have been told many a time Australia is not the place to do business or set up a plant , Europe and America are where the big boys are and where this company has to be.
Jun 24th 2003, 5:51 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
Now that is a bit of insight which could be useful to prospective immigrants. Perhaps you could expand on the reasons behind that. It might help you too.
Now that is a bit of insight which could be useful to prospective immigrants. Perhaps you could expand on the reasons behind that. It might help you too.
1 Distance from markets makes Australia a no go
2 Home market is not quick to take up new idea's or is big enough
3 Captial Investment in Australian Industry is hard to get hold of.
4 The Auto-Motive industry is based in America , Europe with Northern Asia holding some of the market .
5 The big money is not be found in Australia
