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Weebie Aug 13th 2010 7:49 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
Without Aussie experience no one gives a shit. Doesn't matter if you were a senior manager oveseas in many times you haev to start from the bottem again.

shuvo27 Aug 13th 2010 8:13 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
Local experience would be really important if the standard of softwares in this country was better than elsewhere, which is really not. the projects that I have seen in my 1st week of work, they contain such silly bugs that would get any developer fired in an instant around the world. and some of the structure and standard of coding makes me laugh. Actually this industry has things to learn from outside world, not block off....talking about agents this is a mail from a very highly placed IT person in one of the largest MNC's in Sydney whom I asked about the game.there is nothing to be said after this mail..

"There are no IT jobs in established companies here. All the jobs have moved to india. Agents just advertise fake jobs. They want local experience so that they can push your resume to competitor companies.
For example , if a person works in Company A, then they will send his resume to company b and c who are direct competitors, such that they might want to call the person for an interview. This is how they work.
Even if established company advertise a job, they advertise it directly and they pay very little salary.
IT scene is very bad here and one has to be careful about the agents.
Best thing is to be careful and donn't get frustated, it will not help.
Just prepare some topics and make some fake experience and carry on and keep trying.
Donn't be honest and polite, just be crook and confident."

Bermudashorts Aug 13th 2010 8:21 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
Shuvo, please give it a rest, do you ever stop whining. :rolleyes:

I am really not sure why you are providing us with this badly worded and inarticulate message you got from your, er, "highly regarded" friend in IT. They can barely string a sentence together so take it with a pinch of salt.

shuvo27 Aug 13th 2010 8:25 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
well I didn't post for a long time in this thread, but just saw a lot of new posts. U might not be aware that there are many jobs in the world which needs skills rather than english. You have to be honest with honest people and crude with the people that plays with your trust. It is as simple as that.

sonlymewalter Aug 13th 2010 8:31 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8776396)
well I didn't post for a long time in this thread, but just saw a lot of new posts. U might not be aware that there are many jobs in the world which needs skills rather than english. You have to be honest with honest people and crude with the people that plays with your trust. It is as simple as that.

shuvo I recon you should calm down mate as all this is not going to help you. Just accept the job market for what it is and learn to work around it, just like everyone else.

moneypenny20 Aug 13th 2010 9:05 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8776383)
Local experience would be really important if the standard of softwares in this country was better than elsewhere, which is really not. the projects that I have seen in my 1st week of work, they contain such silly bugs that would get any developer fired in an instant around the world. and some of the structure and standard of coding makes me laugh. Actually this industry has things to learn from outside world, not block off....talking about agents this is a mail from a very highly placed IT person in one of the largest MNC's in Sydney whom I asked about the game.there is nothing to be said after this mail..

"There are no IT jobs in established companies here. All the jobs have moved to india. Agents just advertise fake jobs. They want local experience so that they can push your resume to competitor companies.
For example , if a person works in Company A, then they will send his resume to company b and c who are direct competitors, such that they might want to call the person for an interview. This is how they work.
Even if established company advertise a job, they advertise it directly and they pay very little salary.
IT scene is very bad here and one has to be careful about the agents.
Best thing is to be careful and donn't get frustated, it will not help.
Just prepare some topics and make some fake experience and carry on and keep trying.
Donn't be honest and polite, just be crook and confident."

I have to say if things are soooooo bad here, I'm amazed at the number of people, on here alone, who have work in IT and how many sub continent migrants are trying to get here. Doesn't seem worth it to me, perhaps you should go on the Immigration Forum and tell them all to stop bothering. Would hate for anyone else to be as unhappy or unlucky as you.

You've been here two minutes but feel you can comment on ALL Australia. I'm astounded that you've got around all the companies and all the recruitment agents in the country in that time. You must be shattered.

fish.01 Aug 13th 2010 9:10 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8776383)
Local experience would be really important if the standard of softwares in this country was better than elsewhere, which is really not. the projects that I have seen in my 1st week of work, they contain such silly bugs that would get any developer fired in an instant around the world. and some of the structure and standard of coding makes me laugh. Actually this industry has things to learn from outside world, not block off....talking about agents this is a mail from a very highly placed IT person in one of the largest MNC's in Sydney whom I asked about the game.there is nothing to be said after this mail..

.....

I reviewed some code last week, written by an Australian, that was very high quality. Using your "logic" I now declare the standard of all software development around Australia to be of an exceptional standard leading the whole world ;)

shuvo27 Aug 13th 2010 9:12 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
Oh,so sharing your experience, warning people of treacherous agents is a big sin? Encouraging people to look for posts directly from companies is a sin? Go on man...you don't wish that people share their experience and put in information here.:thumbup: Happy moderating then buddy..Moderate sweet words then..please don't reply anymore in my threads...it was the biggest mistake of my ..cking life to post anything in this forum, while it gets appreciated in all other forums, this is the only place that I get bullied. I am really having doubts about some of the people here and their real profession.byeee

moneypenny20 Aug 13th 2010 9:18 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with warning people that you may not fall into a job immediately but to knock the entire country (as it appears to me) because it took you two weeks to find a job and you've discovered some shonky recruitment agencies seems at tad ott to me.

We want and need to have the negatives just as much as the positives but both have to be put in context. Not over dramatic or countrywide generalisation, that doesn't help anyone.

shuvo27 Aug 13th 2010 9:22 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8776489)
Absolutely nothing wrong with warning people that you may not fall into a job immediately but to knock the entire country (as it appears to me) because it took you two weeks to find a job and you've discovered some shonky recruitment agencies seems at tad ott to me.

We want and need to have the negatives just as much as the positives but both have to be put in context. Not over dramatic or countrywide generalisation, that doesn't help anyone.

Yes the Negative is the Agents and the Positive are the Companies, who do call for interviews and don't grinn for local experience...so I wanted to guide the people on the right path, if it was a mistake forgive me man...I am sorry. Hundreds of people in other forums appreciated this same post and encouraged me to share more experience. Sorry dudes, its your fault that you don't want your forum to be useful.:thumbdown: Please don't reply...please please...I really don't like you people anymore...give me a break...

Pollyana Aug 13th 2010 9:28 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8776479)
Oh,so sharing your experience, warning people of treacherous agents is a big sin? Encouraging people to look for posts directly from companies is a sin? Go on man...you don't wish that people share their experience and put in information here.:thumbup: Happy moderating then buddy..Moderate sweet words then..please don't reply anymore in my threads...it was the biggest mistake of my ..cking life to post anything in this forum, while it gets appreciated in all other forums, this is the only place that I get bullied. I am really having doubts about some of the people here and their real profession.byeee

People are free to reply to your thread if they wish to, thats what forums are all about. I suggest that if you feel so strongly that you are being "bullied"just cos people don't agree with you, and you feel you are more appreciated elsewhere, that you go and post elsewhere.

If you drop a pm to Sue I'm sure she will close your account for you :)

shuvo27 Aug 13th 2010 9:30 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
U don't agree in what context? Agents are angels? :thumbsup:

moneypenny20 Aug 13th 2010 9:35 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8776493)
Yes the Negative is the Agents and the Positive are the Companies, who do call for interviews and don't grinn for local experience...so I wanted to guide the people on the right path, if it was a mistake forgive me man...I am sorry. Hundreds of people in other forums appreciated this same post and encouraged me to share more experience. Sorry dudes, its your fault that you don't want your forum to be useful.:thumbdown: Please don't reply...please please...I really don't like you people anymore...give me a break...

You've just quoted my post saying we need negatives just as much as positives. Why are you now saying we don't want the forum to be useful? Which part of my post did you not understand?

You have had a slightly negative experience which is very useful for new migrants to know about. However you then turned it into a 'warning about ALL of Australia'. That's not factual and could put off new migrants who wouldn't suffer the same 'misfortunes' you have. Many IT professionals move here from India and every other country in the world, have no problems finding work so whilst yours is a worthwhile and necessary warning it is not a blanket, one size fits all problem. If you won't understand that then I can't make you.

Hope you enjoy your new life.

DownUnderPaddy Aug 13th 2010 9:41 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8776493)
Yes the Negative is the Agents and the Positive are the Companies, who do call for interviews and don't grinn for local experience...so I wanted to guide the people on the right path, if it was a mistake forgive me man...I am sorry. Hundreds of people in other forums appreciated this same post and encouraged me to share more experience. Sorry dudes, its your fault that you don't want your forum to be useful.:thumbdown: Please don't reply...please please...I really don't like you people anymore...give me a break...

didn't you say "byeeeee" already ?

shuvo27 Aug 13th 2010 9:44 pm

Re: No local experience? you are going to the database
 
Seems many in this forum doesn't really know what byee means and keep on moaning replies..


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