Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8756408)

On the 14th day of my new life in Sydney I got an offer for a webdeveloper(.net) job.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
It has not been easy. I get 2-3 calls from recruitment agents every morning. I have got such an illustrious career with experience of working with clients from USA,UK, Scandenevia, but none of the agents put me forward for an interview for one damn reason, I don't have any aussie experience. I can't understand where USA or UK is lagging behind in what aspect that my 5 and half years experience doesn't mean anything to them.People from subcontinent are like Hot Cakes in USA IT industry, which is the mother of IT. After talking with me for 10-20 minutes all the agents told me the same thing, we will put you in Database and call you back, that's it.

The funny thing is I scored 93% in the C#.net test arranged by IKM which is widely used for companies for recruitment and my score is in the top 7%. Still I remain unemployed. Luckily I applied for a job, which was not through any agent but a direct company post, I was called for an Interview and that's it, I am in. Just one damn interview, yea that's how you should judge people, test him, what he knows. Don't judge him by whether he worked in Dhaka or Bangalore or Karachi...

My advice for newcomers, look for job posts from companies, not the agents..

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8756684)

Hey amazulu, do you expect me to write corporate/executive english in forums? Almost all the agents told me that my communication skill is very good and thats a big plus point for me

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8756408)

On the 14th day of my new life in Sydney I got an offer for a webdeveloper(.net) job.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
It has not been easy. I get 2-3 calls from recruitment agents every morning. I have got such an illustrious career with experience of working with clients from USA,UK, Scandenevia, but none of the agents put me forward for an interview for one damn reason, I don't have any aussie experience. I can't understand where USA or UK is lagging behind in what aspect that my 5 and half years experience doesn't mean anything to them.People from subcontinent are like Hot Cakes in USA IT industry, which is the mother of IT. After talking with me for 10-20 minutes all the agents told me the same thing, we will put you in Database and call you back, that's it.

The funny thing is I scored 93% in the C#.net test arranged by IKM which is widely used for companies for recruitment and my score is in the top 7%. Still I remain unemployed. Luckily I applied for a job, which was not through any agent but a direct company post, I was called for an Interview and that's it, I am in. Just one damn interview, yea that's how you should judge people, test him, what he knows. Don't judge him by whether he worked in Dhaka or Bangalore or Karachi...

My advice for newcomers, look for job posts from companies, not the agents..

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8756726)

so that means all those US and European companies that the immigrants worked for, came from Amazone? We are good enough to work for them but not for aussie companies?
And how can you judge a person's attitude by talking to him on phone for a few minutes. And who talks with a bad attitude with an agent if he is looking for a job?

Ok, you consider me arrogant, but what about thousands of others who are suffering the same way. I don't feel that actual companies are at fault here, its the agents who are afraid that if they forward a newcomer and he cracks at the interview then their image might be harmed. So they play safe and look for people with local experience and because of that attitude, newcomers suffer.

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8756804)

@ man_C_horse: I just quoted the figures to prove that new immigrants do have the technical knowledge to operate in this industry, not to booster my personal image.

If companies are really asking for local experience as you say, then why is this hue and cry about immigration policy and the politics and call for only bringing in skilled people, which the industries are dying for. What has skill to do with local experience. The whole skilled visa thing should be abolished if you are correct or maybe you could export some "Local Experience" abroad so that we could bring it with us.

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8756684)

Hey amazulu, do you expect me to write corporate/executive english in forums? Almost all the agents told me that my communication skill is very good and thats a big plus point for me...but local experience is a big issue here...

Originally Posted by man_called_Horse (Post 8756707)

You are pretty Naive .... but I will give you some pointers.

"No Local Experience" is just a polite way of saying we are not really impressed by your overseas qualifications or experience we have seen too many turkeys already.

Also beware that in Australia any qualifications and Experience is only a fractional part of securing a job... the hiring manager is also looking for attitude and harmony. If you act and talk like a muppet your chances are greatly reduced.

Congratulations all the same on your offer you did pretty well to get that... just don't go around quoting all those figures and percentages or people will think you are just an arrogant tool.

Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy (Post 8756902)

Even having Australian experience isnt enough. Some wanT you to have state based experience. I was once refused a job in South Australia cause I didnt have experience there, despite working many years in NSW.

Originally Posted by living_legend (Post 8756950)

In any country, recruters will look for the altitudes of people before hiring them! Therefore it is must to have these soft skills prior!

Originally Posted by xzibit (Post 8756959)

I currently live 220 metres above sea level, so do you think I'll have a good shot at getting a job?

Originally Posted by man_called_Horse (Post 8756707)

You are pretty Naive .... but I will give you some pointers.

"No Local Experience" is just a polite way of saying we are not really impressed by your overseas qualifications or experience we have seen too many turkeys already.

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8756814)

Mate this is normal practice in Australia and it doesnt matter who you are or how qualified you are, the Aussies always want local experience as this is more important to them. No point getting upset about it, it's tough and it's how it is mate....

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 8757164)

As far as I can gather the rationalisation of this goes something like:

• Aussies are extremely bad losers (anyone who's been here for them losing a sporting event knows this).
• This comes from them thinking they are always 'world class' (another phrase you will hear) in everything they do. Evidence to the contrary will get ignored at best.
• As such anyone coming from elsewhere never has valuable worldwide experience they could gain from. How could they, if aussies are 'world class'?
• Thus they must always be less than the local candidate, since those candiates have 'local knowledge' as well.
• Hence the knock back is 'lack of local knowledge'.

It's down to a lack of perspective and an insecurity about their position that also showed in their 'cultural cringe' in the past. Whereas in the UK if you turned up with ideas and experience from different cultures and situations it would be seen as an advantage in the job interview, here its likely to point up that their worldview is askew - so they don't like it.

Three options to sidestep it:

1. Bypass the agencies by building a local business network and getting access to jobs by personal recommendation.
2. Taking a lowly paid intro job so you can point to experience of the area in subsequent job apps.
3. Setting up and running an SME, where you are selling on the basis of what you can do - where your new ideas can be passed off as your own authentically Oz based concepts, not just a rehashing what you learnt in the UK five years ago.

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8757176)

Aussies do things differently than the UK and whether we like it or not we need to get with the program and do whatever it takes to get round it mate. Once Expats learn to play the game, everyone's happy:thumbsup:

Originally Posted by man_called_Horse (Post 8757204)

Agreed.... after all its Australia and their rules. No point in moving to a new country and spitting the dummy because they do things differently.

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8756804)

@ man_C_horse: I just quoted the figures to prove that new immigrants do have the technical knowledge to operate in this industry, not to booster my personal image.

If companies are really asking for local experience as you say, then why is this hue and cry about immigration policy and the politics and call for only bringing in skilled people, which the industries are dying for. What has skill to do with local experience. The whole skilled visa thing should be abolished if you are correct or maybe you could export some "Local Experience" abroad so that we could bring it with us.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 8757164)

As far as I can gather the rationalisation of this goes something like:

• Aussies are extremely bad losers (anyone who's been here for them losing a sporting event knows this).
• This comes from them thinking they are always 'world class' (another phrase you will hear) in everything they do. Evidence to the contrary will get ignored at best.
• As such anyone coming from elsewhere never has valuable worldwide experience they could gain from. How could they, if aussies are 'world class'?
• Thus they must always be less than the local candidate, since those candiates have 'local knowledge' as well.
• Hence the knock back is 'lack of local knowledge'.

It's down to a lack of perspective and an insecurity about their position that also showed in their 'cultural cringe' in the past. Whereas in the UK if you turned up with ideas and experience from different cultures and situations it would be seen as an advantage in the job interview, here its likely to point up that their worldview is askew - so they don't like it.

Three options to sidestep it:

1. Bypass the agencies by building a local business network and getting access to jobs by personal recommendation.
2. Taking a lowly paid intro job so you can point to experience of the area in subsequent job apps.
3. Setting up and running an SME, where you are selling on the basis of what you can do - where your new ideas can be passed off as your own authentically Oz based concepts, not just a rehashing what you learnt in the UK five years ago.

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8757298)

Really? then how come I got some mails from some recruiters saying that this job strictly requires "Local Experience" and as you don't have any, we are sorry to say that you are not suitable for this job. No phone calls, nothing.:confused: Maybe they are telepathic.

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8757272)

How come USA has seen a boom in their IT with graduates from India and China?And mind it aus IT is nothing if you compare it to US IT. Did they take US Local Experience with them? What Did the US govt check for before dishing out H1B? How come sun, microsoft ,adobe, cisco , oracle all are situated in USA and overflowing with Asian graduates and their products are used around the world including Australia. You can look for reasons to support your cause whole night mate, but ultimately its just a crap attitude. I don't think a seasoned professional from any country would need more than a month to get accustomed to new environment as IT people are already habituated in working with offshore projects. And its true that a guy with 2 years local experience gets preference from a guy with 5 years experience abroad . Its only the loss of this industry, someday they will realize. I have many of my friends in my country working for offshore Australian software companies and they never saw the dust of Aus. How could they deliver for years?

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8757313)

What they do in any other country in the world is completely irrelevant. You are in Australia and as such are experiencing the ways that the Australian companies you have had dealings with manage their HR. Not all Australian companies work in the same way but many many do. You deal with it or you don't, they're not going to worry, they will have plenty more applicants to chose from.

Originally Posted by charw (Post 8757311)

All Oz recruitment agencies are crap. I ve only being here for 12 days. Beware of them!

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 8757300)

Bullcrap as always. I have never heard an Australian I have worked with talk about being 'world class'. In fact, most I meet would have the opposite view. Most companies I have worked at here have recruited people who have hailed from all sorts of places.

You sound like one of the hoardes with a big chip. Where DO you people come from!?

Originally Posted by shuvo27 (Post 8757320)

oh should I paste the mail then? won't look good.

MoneyPenny...this is the reason why I posted this thread pal. So the people dreaming of colorful jobs after coming here,would know the music they have to face once they start looking for job. I already got one, thanks god it was not advertised by the crap shit agents.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8757319)

And you've experienced ALL of them already? Hells teeth you have been busy.