Originally Posted by arkon

Well said, There was nothing wrong with the OP, but if the subject matter doesn't sing the praises of the lucky land then watch out for the wrath of those without standards.

Originally Posted by cypry

An open forum yes.... for objective opinions and responses!!!! Not tangents like excrement and all the other drivel. It sounds to me like you have a very large chip (or should I say fry) on your shoulder mate. Informed debate is about all the positives and negatives of our experiences. There wouldn't be a bloody forum if this were not true.... Get off your high Brumbie and open your eyes.... Theres good and bad in every experience doesn't mean to say it cannot be debated without fear of being branded a miserable sod

Originally Posted by cypry

I actually think that the original post was a well written piece of informed opinion. Unfortunately it got hi-jacked by a few boring brown ring lickers who having set the first foot on Ozzie soil probably began practising their, "how are ya's and "G-days" and Har ya going's" Let us have a whinge about things you bloody idiots, without having to listen to your second hand patriotism's. Its an open forum for objective opinions and the like.... If you don't like what you read then switch off and find a post that you do. Who the hell are you to have a pop at others for an honest opinion

Originally Posted by fraser

I like it, Cas said that I'd like you

Originally Posted by Hutch

So calling people 'boring brown ring lickers' is different is it? Miaow.

I've never questioned anyone's bad experiences - more often than not I'm the first to commiserate. But in their anger, people lash out a the country as a whole and making sweeping and often incorrect statements based on the microcosm they're living in. The ringmasters on this forum like Arkon often play to the crowd and lay it on thick and heavy - that's not 'informed debate'. I'm proud of my countries (both of them), and when I see them getting rubbished for no reason then I'll stick up for them - if that means I've got a chip on my shoulder, then so be it.

Originally Posted by Hutch

1. You moved 12,000 miles round the planet to continue staring at the idiot box? You're not in Kansas anymore Toto - you can step away from the cathode ray tube and discover the world outside your front door! But if you must watch the TV, buy a PVR and skip the ads - or join everyone else and get downloading (it's a little known fact that Australian's are the world's number one TV downloaders). Personally I favour 'getting a life' over complaining that you can't watch Emmerdale.
2. ADSL has been around nearly as long as the UK and they are currently updating the exchanges in larger towns and cities for an ADSL2 roll-out (which offers the same upstream and downstream). Plus there are two national Wi-Max systems currently being provisioned, which will make wires-based Internet access seem as archaic as a bakealite telephone.
3. This of course comes down to the job you do, the place you choose to do it and the quality of your accountant. You can't say "you earn £30k in the uk therefore you'll get $42k in Oz". House-prices are over-priced in many areas but have fallen back by about 20% in the area I'm moving to, and continue to fall. I see no such price realignment happening in the UK where homes are similarly over-valued. Have you seen what 250K buys you in a 'nice' area of the UK lately?
4. Not a tradie so have no experience of red-tape, but God forbid they just let any arsehole fresh off the boat, walk in off the street and declare themselves a builder like they can in the UK.
5. I find it interesting that you lump cultural diversity together with restaurants. You somehow think because there was a chinese takeaway and an indian restaurant on your high street in the UK that it was some amazing racial melting pot? In my little town here in the UK we have an Indian, a Balti, a Chinese, two chip-shops and various sit-down cafes and restaurants. Where I'm moving to in Oz (similar sized town) they have two chinese (and yes, real chinese people running them), one indian, one thai, one ice creamery, two pie shops, a sensational deli and myriad sit-down cafes and restaurants - so I guess both towns are culturaly diverse by your restaurant metric. Incidentally, if that sort of thing was important to you, why didn't you research it before you left?
6. History - I never do buy this one when it pops up as a complaint, but I really don't get in your case, since you make no reference to the stately homes, castles or standing stones people usually claim to miss, but instead beoman the fact that pubs aren't crammed full of fake horse brass! Classic! Anyway, this really is down to the area you're in - there are some bloody excellent pubs down where we're moving to. In fact my brother-in-law took me to one in a town outside Robertson in the Southern Highlands which, complete with comfy leather sofas and roaring log fire, could have been in the middle of Dartmoor instead of the middle of New South Wales.
7. Again - not a problem down our neck of the woods. Pubs are always busy, lots of people socialising. On New Years Eve, myself, my wife, my sister and my brother-in-law went to the Berry Hotel and joined some 500-odd people enjoying good food, good drink and a DJ playing great music. Maybe people tend to socialise in family/friend groups up your way. As to nightclubs - no, they're not a big fixture round that way either, although there are plenty in the larger nearby towns. Again, not that different to here.
8. Perhaps you'd prefer everyone wore black-tie when they popped down to the IGA to get a loaf of bread.
9. Never encountered this one. And what's 'self depreciating humour' - laughing at yourself because you've lost weight? If you mean self 'deprecating' humour - then I take it you're referring to the ability the British have to come up with a viral email joke five minutes after another British serial killer is sent down, or an English paedophile gets into trouble in Thailand.
10. Travel to Europe's over-rated. Why would you deliberately place yourself in the company of the French for instance?

I know your list was light-hearted, but you and the rest of the whinge-bags on this forum just sound silly - at best naive, at worst plain stupid. I swear, if yourself, Arkon, Mackinnon, Jad 'n' Rich and latterly Fraser moved to the Sahara you'd complain about the sand and the fact that there weren't any Tesco Metros to buy your Vanilla and Bean Curd smoothies in.

Originally Posted by Professional Princess

I wonder if they should put on the 47sk form a few extra questions.

1. How much do you like Marmite, M&S underwear, decent chocolate and Tesco? Because our stuff just aint the same.

2. Have you researched Australia and done a historical comparison to the UK? Because our history isnt the same as yours.

3. Do you like flies? Because we have millions of them.

4. How does working in 40degree heat suit you?

5. Do you think you will miss the green fields of England?

6. Our pubs are different to yours, what do you think about that?

7. We truly believe, like yourselves, that our country is the best in the world. We are not afraid to say it.

8. Australia is not England, don't move here for the weather as it can be unpredictable and unless you have sweated your nuts off working in our heat, you wont really know if the weather suits you.

9. Homesickness is equal to that of something that will creep up on you and take over you. Expect to miss your family and have your action plan on riding through the bad times and getting help when needed. Home wasnt built in a day, friends are not made overnight and it takes ages to settle in a job.

10. We dont work in pounds, we work in dollars and dont give a shit how much things cost in England. But we would advise you to do your research on this when you have filled in this form.

Saying that, if they added this extra info on the 47sk form, it would make another page and if it were any longer, I reckon I would cry.

Originally Posted by Chick Flick

Excellent post well thought out, and not an Aussie whinge in sight THANK GOD,
My OH rarely reads this forum because to be truthful it is putting him off migrating. He is sick of all the negativity and wonders why people dislike everything about Oz (in the same way we do the UK) but you summed it up these people would complain in paradise. I often explain it to my OH as, the people who have moved to OZ for the reasons we are will be outside enjoying themselves and their new culture not whinging on a bloody computer to a load of strangers. Don't you whingers all sound stupid LEAVE if you are so UNHAPPY, and come back to the perfect UK). Don't sit on your computer hiding and telling everyone else how bad it is.
Like Hutch we have done research, we are both professionals and will both work, OH Oz salary 130K, my salary part time 70K, plus own business part time, earning potential unlimited. We are buying house in Oz cash 650,000. buying both cars cash, and we are both in our 30's. So we have planned for a better way of life. We are leaving UK as we are sick of weather but most of all sick of the people, and shit I look on here and you are over there too, FFS is there no escape from whinging bas***d british!!!!!!. Get a life and get off this computer and leave the happy people to play. I personally will never look at any forums involving the british once I arrive in Oz. Oh! and if I get OZ wrong don't worry the world is a very big place and you whingers can't live everywhere!!!!!!
None of this is directed at HUTCH, who I wish all the best too, the whingers know who they are!!!

Originally Posted by Exile

Hutch,

When you say your countries, do you mean Ireland and Australia? Just curious, as I seem to recall you referring to the UK as a godforsaken hole, or words to that effect. At times you seem to be going through the disowning the UK phase, and I wonder why you ever chose to live there. But then again I have seen you defend the UK quite a bit in some of your posts.

Who was it who said "Never ask me to be consistent"?

Originally Posted by Chick Flick

. He is sick of all the negativity and wonders why people dislike everything about Oz (in the same way we do the UK) but you summed it up these people would complain in paradise.

Originally Posted by cypry

.... Theres good and bad in every experience doesn't mean to say it cannot be debated without fear of being branded a miserable sod

Originally Posted by Chick Flick

Excellent post well thought out, and not an Aussie whinge in sight THANK GOD,
My OH rarely reads this forum because to be truthful it is putting him off migrating. He is sick of all the negativity and wonders why people dislike everything about Oz (in the same way we do the UK) but you summed it up these people would complain in paradise. I often explain it to my OH as, the people who have moved to OZ for the reasons we are will be outside enjoying themselves and their new culture not whinging on a bloody computer to a load of strangers. Don't you whingers all sound stupid LEAVE if you are so UNHAPPY, and come back to the perfect UK). Don't sit on your computer hiding and telling everyone else how bad it is.
Like Hutch we have done research, we are both professionals and will both work, OH Oz salary 130K, my salary part time 70K, plus own business part time, earning potential unlimited. We are buying house in Oz cash 650,000. buying both cars cash, and we are both in our 30's. So we have planned for a better way of life. We are leaving UK as we are sick of weather but most of all sick of the people, and shit I look on here and you are over there too, FFS is there no escape from whinging bas***d british!!!!!!. Get a life and get off this computer and leave the happy people to play. I personally will never look at any forums involving the british once I arrive in Oz. Oh! and if I get OZ wrong don't worry the world is a very big place and you whingers can't live everywhere!!!!!!
None of this is directed at HUTCH, who I wish all the best too, the whingers know who they are!!!

Originally Posted by Hutch

It's funny - I ummed and ah'd over saying that. Extreme views often get the better of me and make me say extreme things in return, guess I'm only human - all-be-it a human with a potty mouth. I certainly don't subscribe to some of the views I've read on this site lately regarding immigrants and the state of the UK - that said, it holds no interest for me anymore and I'm relieved to be able to move with my family to Australia.

Originally Posted by Chick Flick

We are leaving UK as we are sick of weather but most of all sick of the people, and shit I look on here and you are over there too, FFS is there no escape from whinging bas***d british!!!!!!. Get a life and get off this computer and leave the happy people to play!

Originally Posted by WendyC

I have to say, well written.

I will be posting when I get to Oz, but only so I can reassure others and bring some balance to the all the whinging.